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MIKE BONANNO: Jeez,
this is terrible.

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It's the stupidest...
I can't...

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There's...
It's an hour's difference.

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The time zone
is different here.

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Fuck.
It's unbelievable.

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How the fuck
can that happen?

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Okay. Here.

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Okay, there.
That's done.
Now what?

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Okay. Got it.
Okay, next?

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BONANNO: Pull it up.
Okay.

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A few years ago,
we wanted to

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try to help out with some
activist anti-corporate
activities.

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And we heard
about this website
called rtmark.com.

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And, um,
we went there,
and they, they...

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They handed us
a domain name,
GWBush.com,

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and asked us
if we might like
to make a website

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that was critical
of George Bush.

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Um, because George
Bush's real domain name
was georgewbush.com.

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And this was 1999,
so it was just
during the campaign

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when he was beginning
to run for president.

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And we didn't really know
quite what to do,

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so we went
to Bush's website
and looked at it.

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And it turned out
to be full of
strange hypocrisies, like,

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for example,
he called himself

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"The environmental
governor of Texas,"

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but we looked
a little closer
at his record

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and found out that
he had actually created

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the most polluted
state in the country

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because he dismantled
the Clean Air laws
while he was there.

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And, actually, that's,
I guess, what he's
doing now nationally.

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So we thought, "Well,
this kind of hypocrisy

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"we can easily poke fun at

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"by making
a satire website."

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And we made
this satire website

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that looked
exactly like Bush's

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except for a few
key differences.

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<i>Like there was a photo
on the banner,</i>

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<i>instead of him and his wife
in front of the Capitol
building in Texas,</i>

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<i>we showed him
pointing the finger
at black people.</i>

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<i>And this seemed to get
him a little bit angry.</i>

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So the Bush campaign
tried to shut us down

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by sending us
a cease and desist letter

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and by complaining
to the Federal
Election Commission.

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But we were able
to just take those threats

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and send them
to the media.

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And immediately
<i>The New York Times</i>
wrote an article,

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<i>and there were
a whole bunch
of other articles.</i>

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BICHLBAUM: <i>And in fact,
one reporter
read these articles,</i>

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and at a press conference,
asked Bush,

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"So, what about
this website, GWBush.com,

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"what do you think of that?"

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(JOURNALIST SPEAKING)

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(BUSH SPEAKING)

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(JOURNALIST SPEAKING)

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(BUSH SPEAKING)

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So it was
all over the place.
Yeah.

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A lot of people
read about it,
including a guy

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who had another domain
name called gatt.org.

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And, of course,
GATT is the

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Global Agreement
on Tariffs and Trade,

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and it's the predecessor
agreement to the World
Trade Organization.

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And he said,
"If you could
do this for Bush,

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"then maybe you can
also do this for the WTO."

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MICHAEL MOORE: <i>The WTO
is supposed to be</i>

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<i>sort of a United
Nations of commerce,</i>

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a conglomeration
of all these countries
in the world

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uh, that get together
every now and then

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to discuss trade policies,

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<i>and how exactly
goods will be bought</i>

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<i>and sold
throughout the world.</i>

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Well, I'm sure,
originally,

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the stated purpose
of the WTO, uh,

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was to help these countries
who are developing

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<i>so that, you know,
the world community</i>

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<i>can help raise them
out of poverty.</i>

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<i>In fact,
what it's done is,</i>

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it's allowed
large corporations, uh,

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to go in and exploit
these people even further

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uh, so that Americans
become even wealthier

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<i>and the people
in these countries</i>

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<i>continue to struggle
to get by.</i>

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And I think that's...

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At this point it's upset
quite a few people.

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Okay, so I gotta
try and remember
where Sal lives.

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Um, it's a
little bit complicated.

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There's, like,
this snaking road
up over the hills.

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BONANNO: And who is Sal?

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Sal is a friend
who I met in San Diego,

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and, um,
he moved to L.A.

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to work in the
movie industry,

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and that's why...
Now he does,

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actually, costuming
professionally.

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He builds, like,
weird suits

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out of, you know,
pretty much any material
you can imagine.

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<i>And so, when we
needed a costume,
I knew who to call.</i>

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Yeah, this is it. Yeah.

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I'll maybe bring him
his mail, actually,

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as long as
we're at it here.

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Yeah, I don't like it.
Okay.

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It looks too much
like sex stuff

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instead of... It's not
very modern-looking.

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Okay.
It's gotta look...

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Remember,
this is the future.

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This isn't about, like,
straps and stuff.

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That's like dungeons
and torture in the past.

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The costume is
a manager's leisure suit.

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And the idea is that
Hank Hardy Unruh,

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the representative from the
World Trade Organization,

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is going to go and wear
this breakaway business suit

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<i>that's gonna be
pulled off of him</i>

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during the middle
of the keynote address
at the conference.

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And then, a big
inflatable phallus

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is going to emerge
from this golden suit,

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and on the end of it
is a TV screen

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<i>that he uses to
manage sweatshops remotely.</i>

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The reason we got invited
to these things

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is we have a website
called gatt.org.

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<i>The gatt.org website
looks a lot like
the WTO website,</i>

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<i>but it is critical
of the WTO.</i>

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Most people, though,
who find gatt.org

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by searching for the
World Trade Organization,

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will go without reading it
and will send us
e-mail directly.

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So a lot of people
ask us weird questions
about tariffs and trade,

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and we try to answer
as accurately as we can.

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And occasionally
invitations come in

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from official or, you know,
quasi-official organizations

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asking for opinions
or asking us to
attend a conference.

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And so, when they ask,
they really think
they're talking to the WTO,

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and we respond
by giving them
what we think they want,

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which is the
opinions of the WTO

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as accurately
as we can represent them.

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You know what
I'm thinking, actually,
looking at this,

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is that maybe
this is a zipper.

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Yeah! Yeah,
yeah, yeah.

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Then he just unzips it
and pulls the thing
at the same time.

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Oh, that could be
really good.
Because...

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To have it
burst out of the Velcro,

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it might not be
strong enough to...
BOTH: Burst out.

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And then he'd
have to pull it.

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Part of the thing
that gives us the courage
to go to Tampere

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with this really absurd suit

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is that we already went
to Salzburg, Austria,

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<i>to represent the
World Trade Organization</i>

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<i>at a conference
on tariffs and trade.</i>

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And so, there,
our representative,

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the same guy who is
Hank Hardy Unruh here

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<i>was Dr. Andreas
Bichlbauer there.</i>

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And he gave a lecture,
uh, that focused

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on, basically,
doing away with all customs
in the name of free trade,

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like getting rid of
the siesta in
Spain and Italy,

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um, so that business hours
could be the same.

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In Italy, on the other hand,
you have a totally
different situation,

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in which sleep is

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done during the day
as much as
at night, almost.

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And allowing people
to sell their votes
over the Internet

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to the highest bidder
so that the barriers
to, sort of, free trade

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and things like votes
were out of the way.

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BICHLBAUER:
<i>One possible solution</i>

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<i>is being tested
in the field of
American politics</i>

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<i>to streamline the
grotesquely inefficient
system of elections.</i>

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<i>And Vote-auction.com,
in turn, employs
only four people</i>

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<i>to transmit
not merely information,</i>

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but actual money directly
to the consuming voter.

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It's a forum
for people voluntarily

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to offer their vote
to the highest bidder.

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And despite giving
what we thought

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was a lecture
that would immediately
get us booed off stage

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or, you know,
get Bichlbauer maybe
even thrown in jail

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because people
would figure out
he was an impostor,

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the exact opposite happened.

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Everybody was
super polite. Nobody...

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It didn't seem like
everybody even noticed

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that what he said
was so absurd.

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Well, so far...

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We thought Bichlbauer
would be very extreme

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and people would react to it
and we'd get shut down,

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<i>and nothing
of the sort happened.</i>

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<i>So...</i>

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This time,
we just have to
really push it

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and make it totally extreme.

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I mean, we keep trying
to push things further

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to try to really
clarify the positions
of the WTO

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to make them very legible.

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It's one back,
but this is good.

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MAN: Yeah.
So...

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<i>Andy.</i>

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Andy.

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It has a terrible siren.

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(SIREN WAILING)

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BICHLBAUM: I have to
check the web
when we get upstairs.

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Oh, my God.
What are we gonna do
about this...

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We gotta watch
the Patrick video.

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Um...

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It's weird stuff,
isn't it?

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(BOTH CHUCKLING)

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That's one way
of putting it.

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It's really a problem.

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BICHLBAUM: It seems
about the weirdest

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I've seen from
him ever, I think.

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It looks
pretty good on this.

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Yeah, it's all right.

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PATRICK LICHTY: What we have
here is that we have
our cyber Andy here

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who's going to be
wearing the suit.

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And I'm going to be showing
all the different ways

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in which the
Management Leisure Suit

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can be useful
in industry today

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and maximize
leisure potential.

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(LAUGHS)

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Sometimes I don't think
they know what the hell
to expect out of me.

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What I'll come up with

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is frequently not exactly
what they had in mind,

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but it's, you know,

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it fits in perfectly
with what they're,

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what they're going to do.

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Well, I mean,
I came out of
a corporate environment

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and a company that
I really gave, you know,

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a good bit of my soul to

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<i>over a long period
of time progressively.</i>

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<i>And there were
a lot of downsizings
and, of course,</i>

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you know, the
company I was with

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I thought was gonna
take care of me, you know.

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And I realized that
the bottom line
is the bottom line,

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<i>and there really
isn't any humanity
in corporate structures,</i>

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so therefore I hope
that maybe being part
of the Yes Men

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might, in some way,
help raise issues
about global work issues

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<i>and social issues
that are being
brought about</i>

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by globalization, etcetera.

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I grew up
in the suburbs here,

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and then I moved
to Troy, uh,

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six years ago
for a job at the
university there, so...

233
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<i>A place there
called Rensselaer
Polytechnic Institute,</i>

234
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<i>and I teach there.</i>

235
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I was moving
back home, really,
because I'd been away,

236
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I'd been on the West Coast
for about 12 years.

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WOMAN: Wait,
what is this?

238
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BONANNO: This is, um,
it's this...

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<i>SimCopter</i> hack.
Here it is.

240
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I wanted to
watch this tape
'cause I...

241
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This is the tape...
I've been cleaning
out the archives,

242
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you know, and I found
this tape in there.

243
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<i>I met Andy through
a friend, actually.
A mutual friend.</i>

244
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Actually, two people,
that we both knew,

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suggested that
me and Andy

246
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get in contact
with one another

247
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because we'd both
done similar projects.

248
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One of the jobs
that I had

249
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was at this games
company called Maxis

250
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<i>that makes</i> SimCity.

251
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<i>One of the games
they were making
at the time</i>

252
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<i>was</i> SimCopter.

253
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I was in charge
of the little people

254
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that run around
in the game.

255
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And I made them
wearing nothing
but swim trunks.

256
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They'd all be boys,
and they'd be
running around

257
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kissing each other.

258
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So all the people
who ordered this
very popular video game

259
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suddenly were treated
to a completely
different spectacle.

260
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And so he got a lot
of press attention for it,

261
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and it was seen
as a kind of,

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an activist, you know,
kind of statement

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about video games

264
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and the sort of
macho nature of them.

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It all involves
the unexpected appearance

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of some gay,
kissing muscle men
every Friday the 13th.

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He's becoming
a celebrity of sorts
in the computer world.

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Especially the
gay computer world.

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And then I had done
a project using
Barbie dolls,

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where we switched
the voice boxes of
Barbie dolls and G.I. Joes.

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(RECORDED MALE VOICE)
<i>Troops, attack
that Cobra jet</i>

272
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<i>with heavy firepower!</i>

273
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(GUNFIRE)

274
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And that ended up
in G.I. Joes

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that said things like,
"I love to shop with you,"

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and Barbie dolls
that said things like, um,
"Dead men tell no lies."

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And we got them back
on store shelves,

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<i>um, all over the country
in what we called our
"Shop Giving Program."</i>

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We're like Santa Claus,
only less radical,

280
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because Santa Claus
breaks into people's houses.
We don't do that.

281
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BONANNO: <i>So that
when kids got them
at Christmas,</i>

282
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<i>they were surprised
to find their doll</i>

283
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<i>saying something other
than what they expected.</i>

284
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<i>And the kids thought
it was hilarious.</i>

285
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<i>You know,
they loved having
these crazy dolls.</i>

286
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<i>Uh, we sent out
press releases,</i>

287
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so it was in the news
on Christmas Day

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and for the week following.

289
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It just went
through every kind of
media channel imaginable.

290
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The BLO.

291
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The mission of the BLO.

292
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The Barbie Liberation
Organization, the BLO.

293
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It was real funny 'cause
(MAN TRANSLATING
IN FRENCH)

294
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it was like "Come on,
fight me. Fight me!"

295
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Except it says.
(RECORDED FEMALE VOICE)
<i>I love school. Don't you?</i>

296
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<i>Let's sing
with the band tonight!</i>

297
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Now we're,
with the Yes Men,

298
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we're calling that
sort of basic idea
"Identity Correction,"

299
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like saying, okay,
these things...

300
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These things that are
not really presenting
themselves honestly

301
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or that hide something
about their nature
that's really scary,

302
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we want to, we want to
bring that out.

303
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We want to show that.
We want to demonstrate that.

304
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And so, like
for the WTO,

305
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you know, we think
that the WTO

306
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is doing all these
terrible things
that are hurting people

307
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and they're saying
the exact opposite.

308
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And so we're interested
in correcting their identity,

309
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in the same way
that an identity thief

310
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steals somebody's
identity to...

311
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In order to,
basically, just engage
in criminal practices,

312
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we target people
we see as criminals,

313
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and we steal their identity
to try to make them honest

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or to try to present
a more honest face.

315
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And so, you know,
I guess this whole thing

316
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has its roots
for both me and Andy

317
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in stuff that
we've been doing
for a long time,

318
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which is trying to
create public spectacles

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that, in some kind of
poetic way,

320
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<i>reveal something
about our culture that's
profoundly a problem.</i>

321
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That must be Sal.

322
00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,365
Oh, dude.

323
00:16:01,366 --> 00:16:03,232
Are you okay?

324
00:16:03,233 --> 00:16:05,099
SAL: I got fuckin'
lost on that...

325
00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:06,532
Oh, no.

326
00:16:06,533 --> 00:16:08,065
(LAUGHING)

327
00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:09,732
It's been a long day.

328
00:16:09,733 --> 00:16:11,065
Holy shit!

329
00:16:11,066 --> 00:16:12,365
Oh!

330
00:16:12,366 --> 00:16:17,766
Well, I probably
started it in June or July.

331
00:16:18,033 --> 00:16:22,132
<i>So, on and off
for a good
two to three months.</i>

332
00:16:22,133 --> 00:16:26,099
<i>Just a couple
more pieces of Velcro,
and that'll really be it.</i>

333
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,199
<i>And, yeah, we're...</i>

334
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,099
<i>We're at the
end of the line.</i>

335
00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:31,099
(BLOWING RASPBERRY)

336
00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:32,465
Oh.

337
00:16:32,466 --> 00:16:34,532
Okay, look.
So here we're
making a list here.

338
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Wednesday we leave
for Finland early,

339
00:16:37,466 --> 00:16:40,065
so, Sunday...

340
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Make lecture.

341
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BICHLBAUM: Bigger?
Oh, no. That's a big one.

342
00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,133
PowerPoint.

343
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And then speech.

344
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Finish.

345
00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:58,133
(KEYS CLACKING)

346
00:17:03,133 --> 00:17:05,765
It's 4:03 a.m.,

347
00:17:05,766 --> 00:17:10,265
and I guess
I'll just keep working
until morning.

348
00:17:10,266 --> 00:17:12,265
I feel somewhat awake.

349
00:17:12,266 --> 00:17:15,300
And then Andy
can take over again.

350
00:17:16,566 --> 00:17:20,166
We can do
around-the-clock shift,
I guess.

351
00:17:22,233 --> 00:17:27,166
I'm just trying
to add a few slides
into the PowerPoint here.

352
00:17:28,133 --> 00:17:30,265
Because, actually,
a lot of the things

353
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that, sort of,
business leaders
of the world

354
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say in relation
to these issues

355
00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:38,165
are actually sort of
very similar

356
00:17:38,166 --> 00:17:39,632
to what Unruh
Hank Hardy says,

357
00:17:39,633 --> 00:17:41,432
even though, maybe,
Unruh Hank Hardy

358
00:17:41,433 --> 00:17:43,565
is a little bit
more frank about it.

359
00:17:43,566 --> 00:17:46,432
<i>And, in fact,
when he talked
to CNBC,</i>

360
00:17:46,433 --> 00:17:49,299
<i>when he was debating,
an activist, Barry Coates,</i>

361
00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,299
<i>just sort of agreed
with what he said</i>

362
00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:53,299
when he said that
this is what the WTO does,

363
00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:55,165
and this is our position.

364
00:17:55,166 --> 00:17:56,432
And Barry Coates said,

365
00:17:56,433 --> 00:18:00,233
"Well, that's funny.
That's exactly right."

366
00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:04,165
<i>After Salzburg,
we got an e-mail</i>

367
00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:08,299
<i>asking a representative
of the WTO</i>

368
00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:11,165
to appear on CNBC
<i>MarketWrap</i> Europe.

369
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:13,332
And the producer
apparently didn't notice

370
00:18:13,333 --> 00:18:17,266
that gatt.org
was not the WTO site.

371
00:18:17,733 --> 00:18:20,665
And Granwyth Hulatberi,

372
00:18:20,666 --> 00:18:24,132
<i>which is another name
that Andy just came up with,</i>

373
00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:26,699
<i>responded and,
of course, said,</i>

374
00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:30,332
<i>"Well, I'd be happy to go
on CNBC</i> MarketWrap."

375
00:18:30,333 --> 00:18:33,732
<i>And that producer
wanted him to debate</i>

376
00:18:33,733 --> 00:18:36,232
<i>an anti-globalization
protester.</i>

377
00:18:36,233 --> 00:18:40,632
If the WTO is serious
about addressing

378
00:18:40,633 --> 00:18:42,465
the issues
of world poverty,

379
00:18:42,466 --> 00:18:46,199
it would do things
completely differently
than it is now.

380
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,365
Let me bring in
Granwyth on that.

381
00:18:48,366 --> 00:18:50,033
Is that a fair point?

382
00:18:51,066 --> 00:18:52,365
Well, of course it is,

383
00:18:52,366 --> 00:18:53,765
but, you know,
I think Barry,

384
00:18:53,766 --> 00:18:55,299
as well as all
the other protesters,

385
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:56,765
are simply,
in a word,

386
00:18:56,766 --> 00:19:00,199
focused too much
on reality and
on facts and figures.

387
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,733
And I think
I would have to say

388
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,365
that this is
a long-term problem

389
00:19:04,366 --> 00:19:06,532
that comes down
to a problem of education.

390
00:19:06,533 --> 00:19:08,499
We have to find a way

391
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:11,265
to convince perhaps
not the protesters,

392
00:19:11,266 --> 00:19:13,332
but the
protesters' children

393
00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:15,465
to follow thinkers like

394
00:19:15,466 --> 00:19:19,065
Milton Friedman
and Darwin and,
uh, and so on,

395
00:19:19,066 --> 00:19:22,232
rather than
what the protesters
have been reared on...

396
00:19:22,233 --> 00:19:25,199
Trotsky and Robespierre
and Abbie Hoffman.

397
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,232
And I think that putting
the direction of education,

398
00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:31,532
being put into
private hands...

399
00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:35,232
A concentration of resources
in the private sector

400
00:19:35,233 --> 00:19:37,532
will naturally lead
to this result,

401
00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:39,732
and we'll see
the protesters' children
being reared

402
00:19:39,733 --> 00:19:42,199
with an entirely different
set of concerns.

403
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,699
Let me bring you
in on that, Barry.

404
00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,532
I mean, can I just say

405
00:19:45,533 --> 00:19:48,099
that these kind of
simplistic arguments

406
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,365
are really, I mean,
too insulting

407
00:19:50,366 --> 00:19:51,699
to most people
to believe.

408
00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,099
You know, the fact that
we have a choice between

409
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:55,632
Milton Friedman
or Abbie Hoffman

410
00:19:55,633 --> 00:19:59,399
for where we get
our source of economic
history and philosophy.

411
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,399
There are many,
many thinkers
from around the world...

412
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,265
Just not those one's
employed by the WTO.

413
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:08,265
...that think
the World Trade
Organization policies

414
00:20:08,266 --> 00:20:11,132
are deeply damaging
for the development prospects
of the poorest countries.

415
00:20:11,133 --> 00:20:12,766
Let me go out,
uh, to Granwyth.

416
00:20:14,566 --> 00:20:18,766
Yes, um, well,
I wanted to speak
to Granwyth...

417
00:20:19,033 --> 00:20:20,765
Sorry, to Barry's point that
there are other thinkers.

418
00:20:20,766 --> 00:20:24,699
Well, who...
Who actually has
the power in the world

419
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:28,432
and so who is correct
in this kind of world view?

420
00:20:28,433 --> 00:20:30,432
I mean, I think the
answer is easy

421
00:20:30,433 --> 00:20:34,265
and if you look
at the views held
by myself, my oganization

422
00:20:34,266 --> 00:20:38,265
and many, many of
the decision makers
in the world,

423
00:20:38,266 --> 00:20:42,265
the powerful people
they happen to coincide
with what I'm explaining

424
00:20:42,266 --> 00:20:46,299
and I think,
this is enough in
this sort of view.

425
00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:49,432
So... I mean,
what we have here
is a picture of

426
00:20:49,433 --> 00:20:52,465
the rich and powerful
people believe
a certain philosophy

427
00:20:52,466 --> 00:20:56,099
which they then
propound through
the institutions

428
00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:57,299
in which they have
a powerful voice.

429
00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,599
And I think this is
exactly the model

430
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,432
that is being questioned
and increasingly
what there is,

431
00:21:04,433 --> 00:21:08,432
is a very large body
of people who are concerned
about these rules.

432
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:11,565
The people on the streets
of Janeiro or in Seattle

433
00:21:11,566 --> 00:21:14,099
are not representative
of the overall movement.

434
00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,332
They are at the tip
of the iceberg.
We did the study last year

435
00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,599
that looked across
developing countries

436
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,599
and found that in
the space of one year
in 50 protests

437
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,699
more than a million people
from developing countries

438
00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:28,465
were out trying
to change the rules

439
00:21:28,466 --> 00:21:30,632
that were being
imposed on them
by the World Bank

440
00:21:30,633 --> 00:21:33,332
and the IMF
and locked down through
the World Trade Organization.

441
00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:34,732
All right. Thank you.
We must finish unfortunately.

442
00:21:34,733 --> 00:21:36,499
Barry Coates thank you
actually for joining us.
Thank you.

443
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:38,365
And also Granwyth Hulatberi.

444
00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:40,333
And also Vern
and Alice on the line
from New York.

445
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,333
(SPEAKING FRENCH)

446
00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:08,566
Um, section three.

447
00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:13,332
Well...

448
00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:17,532
This isn't exactly
a garbage bag
but it's, uh...

449
00:22:17,533 --> 00:22:18,733
It'll work.

450
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,733
Yeah?
You think, this is
very business-like?

451
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,532
It's like,
it's very official...

452
00:22:25,533 --> 00:22:27,665
(WOMAN TALKING INDISTINCTLY)
Very big money.

453
00:22:27,666 --> 00:22:29,465
Okay, good.
That's what I need.

454
00:22:29,466 --> 00:22:31,433
I need a big
money watch.

455
00:22:33,033 --> 00:22:37,665
SALMONE: So, are you
as nervous as you were
for, uh, Salzburg?

456
00:22:37,666 --> 00:22:42,733
The thing is like,
even with the Salzburg thing
we went into it like...

457
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,665
Sort of, I mean we
went there really nervous
but the whole time kind of...

458
00:22:46,666 --> 00:22:49,365
It doesn't...
It doesn't really sink in
till you're actually there.

459
00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:50,665
Right.

460
00:22:50,666 --> 00:22:52,432
SALMONE: <i>Well, I think
it's good you guys, like,</i>

461
00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:54,532
<i>from what I've seen
of the speech</i>

462
00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:57,565
<i>it kind of starts out
the most normal that is.</i>
BONANNO: <i>Yeah.</i>

463
00:22:57,566 --> 00:23:00,199
So it'll help...
He can get comfortable
when people...

464
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,700
He can sort of like slowly
work his way up into it.

465
00:23:05,566 --> 00:23:07,433
You son
of a fucking bitch.

466
00:23:09,533 --> 00:23:11,500
(CLICKS TONGUE) Shit.

467
00:23:12,433 --> 00:23:14,065
Do you have a rag?

468
00:23:14,066 --> 00:23:15,432
BONANNO: Uh...
Fuck.

469
00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:17,565
Fuck, uh, shit, um...

470
00:23:17,566 --> 00:23:20,500
I have one with that has
shoe polish on it
but that's not right, right?

471
00:23:23,066 --> 00:23:24,399
The screen get
a little paint on it?

472
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,700
Yeah.

473
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,532
Hmm.

474
00:23:30,533 --> 00:23:32,766
(WHIRRING)

475
00:23:33,033 --> 00:23:34,532
It sounds like
a lawn mower.

476
00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:36,500
It's a little loud, yeah.

477
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,699
Mmm. That's not good.
Forget it.

478
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,500
(WHIRRING CONTINUES)

479
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,532
Uh-oh.
Look, it made
a new noise.

480
00:23:50,533 --> 00:23:52,232
Good, good,
good. Great.

481
00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:53,699
Is that great?
Try it.

482
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:55,266
And it doesn't work now.

483
00:23:55,633 --> 00:23:56,599
Oh, listen. Yes.

484
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,266
Okay. (LAUGHS)

485
00:23:59,733 --> 00:24:01,033
(LAUGHS)

486
00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:09,566
(SPEAKING FRENCH)

487
00:24:12,466 --> 00:24:14,633
Okay, 10 minutes.
They're both here.

488
00:24:15,466 --> 00:24:16,600
Phew.

489
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:18,666
Hey, Sal.

490
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,133
Thanks.

491
00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:24,066
(LAUGHS)

492
00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:27,099
We'll see how it goes.
Thanks for everything.

493
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,533
Yeah. Sleep good
and have a good time here.

494
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,499
Yeah.
Enjoy.

495
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,499
See you soon.

496
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,099
Move into my room.
Have enjoyment.

497
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,466
Okay.
(LAUGHS)

498
00:24:38,766 --> 00:24:40,265
Is this everything?

499
00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:41,533
Wow. Look how efficient.

500
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,632
Okay.

501
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,099
(GRUNTS)

502
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,533
Efficient.
A model of efficiency
right here.

503
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,765
You have some crap
on your face right here.

504
00:24:52,766 --> 00:24:54,466
No, no, over here.

505
00:24:55,633 --> 00:24:56,500
Looks better.

506
00:25:03,633 --> 00:25:05,500
(TALKING INDISTINCTLY)

507
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,466
(MUSIC PLAYING ON STEREO)

508
00:25:29,533 --> 00:25:31,632
BONANNO:
<i>We arrived last night,</i>

509
00:25:31,633 --> 00:25:33,532
<i>you had to take a nap.
You had to get some sleep.</i>

510
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:34,665
BICHLBAUM: <i>Oh,
I just crashed, yeah.</i>

511
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:37,132
And, uh, I went

512
00:25:37,133 --> 00:25:38,733
and basically scoped out
the lecture site.

513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,232
<i>There was a sign
on the door that said,</i>

514
00:25:41,233 --> 00:25:42,732
<i>"Textiles of the future,</i>

515
00:25:42,733 --> 00:25:46,532
<i>"Unruh Hank Hardy
was the first speaker.
Hank Hardy Unruh."</i>

516
00:25:46,533 --> 00:25:48,766
And, um, you know, it all
looked sort of official.

517
00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:51,733
The coffee cups were out
for the morning.

518
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,532
So, I thought,
this is great.
I'm all ready,

519
00:25:53,533 --> 00:25:55,165
I know exactly
where it is.

520
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:56,699
We can go there.
I had a time...

521
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:59,165
Like set up
a little time table
and I got them, you know,

522
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:02,766
maps of the thing,
and all the updated
conference information.

523
00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:05,665
Um, came back here,

524
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:06,665
<i>then we went to sleep early,</i>

525
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:09,699
<i>but Hank was
snoring immediately.</i>

526
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,766
But I wasn't able
to sleep at all, really.

527
00:26:12,033 --> 00:26:13,766
I just like stayed there
awake in bed

528
00:26:14,033 --> 00:26:17,265
and occasionally going
to bathroom and turn on
the light and read brochures,

529
00:26:17,266 --> 00:26:20,565
because I was like,
just unable to sleep.

530
00:26:20,566 --> 00:26:23,500
<i>And eventually,
I think I fell asleep
just before waking up.</i>

531
00:26:27,566 --> 00:26:29,166
Great.

532
00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:33,766
So, I'm leaving
my wallet here.

533
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,066
Okay, let's go.

534
00:26:42,566 --> 00:26:44,365
It's 8:00.

535
00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:46,133
I think I really will
leave it here.

536
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,666
Aren't you coming?

537
00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:00,566
Hank, it was
a little early to get up.

538
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,599
It's all right.

539
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,599
I mean, I thought
this was vacation.

540
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,232
(SNIFFS) Like, what?

541
00:27:06,233 --> 00:27:07,600
Vacation.
I know.

542
00:27:08,633 --> 00:27:10,733
They take me to Finland...

543
00:27:16,733 --> 00:27:19,365
Let me take care
of this egg for you.
I'll just peel it.

544
00:27:19,366 --> 00:27:21,099
That would be nice,
thank you.

545
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,666
Mmm-hmm.

546
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,065
Well, you know,
we're a bit behind schedule.

547
00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:30,599
Are we?
Well, little bit.
It's after 8:00.

548
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,699
And I really wanted to be
at the venue at 8:00.

549
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,765
Okay.
But we're doing fine anyway.

550
00:27:35,766 --> 00:27:36,765
Is it after 8:00?

551
00:27:36,766 --> 00:27:38,300
It is after 8:00.
Yeah.

552
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,600
You know,
pretend like...

553
00:27:52,133 --> 00:27:53,300
Huh.
Great.

554
00:27:54,166 --> 00:27:55,700
We're early.
Ah. Good.

555
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,765
Hello.

556
00:27:59,766 --> 00:28:01,699
I'm Hank Hardy Unruh.
I'm from the...

557
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,099
Oh, great.

558
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,399
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.

559
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,765
We were expecting you.

560
00:28:05,766 --> 00:28:06,566
Oh, good. (LAUGHS)

561
00:28:07,633 --> 00:28:09,733
It's not 9:30, no?
It's 8:30, right?

562
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,299
Um. Uh,
but you will have a...

563
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,399
It's 8:30 now.
8:30.

564
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,633
Is it?
It...

565
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,265
It is... It's 9:30.

566
00:28:19,266 --> 00:28:20,332
Now?
Yes.

567
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:21,733
No. Yeah.

568
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,765
The time is 9:30?

569
00:28:22,766 --> 00:28:24,265
Yes.
Yeah. Almost.

570
00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:27,099
I'm on at...
Well, it's 9:27
at the moment.

571
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,300
Oh, my God.
We're an hour off.

572
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:30,733
Oh, my God.
Thank you.

573
00:28:31,033 --> 00:28:32,165
Okay.

574
00:28:32,166 --> 00:28:33,766
Well, we have to...
Anyhow.

575
00:28:34,033 --> 00:28:35,065
We're starting...

576
00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:36,766
Do they know that
he's going on now?

577
00:28:37,033 --> 00:28:39,699
Uh, yeah.
Well, perhaps he knows that
and was expecting.

578
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:40,766
Oh, geez. Okay.

579
00:28:41,033 --> 00:28:42,333
Okay, we...

580
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,766
Are you coming too?
Have you registered?

581
00:28:48,033 --> 00:28:49,732
Um, I'm his...
I'm his assistant.

582
00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:52,199
And this also.
We're both
working with him.

583
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,700
We have to go take care
of a few things now.

584
00:28:55,433 --> 00:28:56,699
BOTH: Okay.

585
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:57,665
Would you like
to join the dinner?

586
00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,199
Uh, yes, please.

587
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,733
Uh, or is there a fee or...

588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,499
Uh, no, it's included.

589
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,766
Okay, yes. We'll...
We'll join the dinner.
That looks great.

590
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:06,399
Um...
Uh...

591
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,299
Wow.
Well,
we must hurry, I guess.

592
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,766
So, please yes.

593
00:29:12,733 --> 00:29:14,732
Um, actually no,
you can't go in right now,

594
00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:17,065
'cause you have
to first take care
of that business.

595
00:29:17,066 --> 00:29:18,332
See we're an hour...

596
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,065
We did...
We'll be five...

597
00:29:20,066 --> 00:29:21,065
We had an hour off so...

598
00:29:21,066 --> 00:29:23,365
I have to
do something, um...
Yes.

599
00:29:23,366 --> 00:29:25,065
He has to make
a very important
phone call right now.

600
00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:26,365
It'll take five minutes.

601
00:29:26,366 --> 00:29:28,065
Five minutes?
Yes.

602
00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:30,065
But, uh... But you will
have your presentation

603
00:29:30,066 --> 00:29:31,365
starting off
in two minutes.

604
00:29:31,366 --> 00:29:33,733
Yes, please tell him that
I'll be three minutes late.

605
00:29:39,766 --> 00:29:41,766
There is a detail.

606
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,065
Jesus. Fuck.

607
00:29:44,066 --> 00:29:45,765
How come we
didn't know that?

608
00:29:45,766 --> 00:29:47,400
That's really incredible.

609
00:29:48,466 --> 00:29:49,732
Come on.

610
00:29:49,733 --> 00:29:51,400
Okay. Now.

611
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,599
UNRUH: <i>Jesus.
This is terrible.</i>

612
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,033
<i>This is the stupidest.
I can't...</i>

613
00:29:58,333 --> 00:30:00,733
<i>It's an hour's difference.
The time zone
is different here.</i>

614
00:30:02,066 --> 00:30:03,566
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)

615
00:30:04,133 --> 00:30:05,232
<i>Unbelievable.</i>

616
00:30:05,233 --> 00:30:07,465
<i>How the fuck
can that happen?</i>

617
00:30:07,466 --> 00:30:10,232
BONANNO: <i>Okay. Here.
That's done. Now,
you tape them in.</i>

618
00:30:10,233 --> 00:30:13,066
Okay. Now quick.
The shirt.
The underwear.

619
00:30:14,766 --> 00:30:15,733
Gold underwear.

620
00:30:16,366 --> 00:30:17,466
Okay.

621
00:30:18,733 --> 00:30:20,765
BONANNO: Does that...
Do I have to put
something through this?

622
00:30:20,766 --> 00:30:22,765
No.
Okay, uh...

623
00:30:22,766 --> 00:30:24,133
Mmm-hmm.

624
00:30:25,766 --> 00:30:26,732
Your testicles
hanging out?

625
00:30:26,733 --> 00:30:28,099
Uh, yeah.

626
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:29,300
Okay.

627
00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:31,233
Okay.

628
00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:34,733
Okay, great.

629
00:30:36,733 --> 00:30:38,265
Oh, God.

630
00:30:38,266 --> 00:30:40,532
Okay. Great.

631
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:42,099
Let's go.
Now air in it.

632
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:43,000
Okay, now the pants.

633
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,100
Oh, hi.
Nice to meet you.
I'm so sorry.

634
00:30:53,466 --> 00:30:55,000
(SPEAKING ENGLISH)

635
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,132
Thank you. (LAUGHS)

636
00:31:11,133 --> 00:31:13,000
I'm terribly...
What?

637
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,066
Yes. I have a presentation.

638
00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:20,132
I'm terribly sorry.

639
00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:24,066
Uh, I think the World Trade
Organization is supposed to
know about time zones but...

640
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,132
Somebody said,
"Isn't there
a time difference?"

641
00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:32,065
And I said,
"No. All of Europe,
same time zone."

642
00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,766
(LAUGHS)
So, that convinced us all.

643
00:31:35,033 --> 00:31:36,432
And we were convinced,
that it was
Me too.

644
00:31:36,433 --> 00:31:38,766
the right time when we
woke up this morning.

645
00:31:39,033 --> 00:31:41,733
And we were running...
We were running five
or 10 minutes late.

646
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,432
<i>And then
figured out that, you know,
the laptop wasn't working.</i>

647
00:31:46,433 --> 00:31:48,565
UNRUH: <i>No, maybe we could
switch the order.</i>

648
00:31:48,566 --> 00:31:50,733
Can we have
somebody else go
and then I go later?

649
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,132
And they said, "Okay,
I think we can do that."

650
00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:54,699
And then they called
the coffee people

651
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,665
and they talked to
the coffee people to see
if the coffee was possible.

652
00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:59,100
BICHLBAUM: <i>That was it.</i>

653
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:13,433
Thank you very much.

654
00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:15,765
It's this one.

655
00:33:15,766 --> 00:33:19,732
Um, it's quite an honor
to be here in Tampere
addressing this audience

656
00:33:19,733 --> 00:33:23,633
of the most outstanding
textile workers
in the world today.

657
00:33:25,066 --> 00:33:27,232
I see on all
the faces here today,

658
00:33:27,233 --> 00:33:29,365
a touching
childlike eagerness

659
00:33:29,366 --> 00:33:32,400
to tackle the biggest
textiles questions
in the world.

660
00:33:33,366 --> 00:33:35,565
How do we at the WTO fit in?

661
00:33:35,566 --> 00:33:37,232
What we want to do
at the WTO

662
00:33:37,233 --> 00:33:40,265
is help you achieve
your dollar results.

663
00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:42,532
And in just
20 minutes from now,

664
00:33:42,533 --> 00:33:47,132
I'm going to show you,
the WTO's very own solution

665
00:33:47,133 --> 00:33:50,565
to two of the very
biggest problems
in management.

666
00:33:50,566 --> 00:33:54,132
One, maintaining rapport
with distant workforce

667
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:58,265
and two, maintaining
helpful amounts of leisure.

668
00:33:58,266 --> 00:34:01,633
This solution
appropriately enough
is based in textiles.

669
00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:09,165
Uh, but how did workers
ever get to be a problem?

670
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:13,199
Before unveiling our solution,
I'd like to talk about
a bit of history

671
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,699
of the worker
management problem.

672
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:19,665
Uh, we all know about
the American Civil War
at least in the US.

673
00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:24,132
Uh, it was the bloodiest,
least profitable war in the
history of our country.

674
00:34:24,133 --> 00:34:28,399
A war in which unbelievably
huge amounts of money
went right down the drain

675
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,199
and all for textiles.

676
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,699
By the 1860s
the South was
utterly flush with cash.

677
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,132
It'd recently benefited
from the cotton gin.

678
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:39,599
An invention that took
the seeds out of cotton

679
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,132
and the South out
of its preindustrial past.

680
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:44,565
Hundreds of thousands
of workers

681
00:34:44,566 --> 00:34:47,332
previously unemployed
in their countries of origin

682
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:50,199
were given
useful jobs in textiles.

683
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,500
Into this rosy picture of
freedom and boon stepped,
you guessed it,

684
00:34:54,166 --> 00:34:55,732
"The North."

685
00:34:55,733 --> 00:35:00,299
Now some Civil War apologists
have said that the Civil War
for all its faults

686
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,199
at least had
the effect of outlawing

687
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,332
an involuntarily
imported workforce
model of work.

688
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,265
Now, this model is,
of course a terrible thing.

689
00:35:08,266 --> 00:35:10,299
I myself am an abolitionist.

690
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,465
But, uh, in fact,
there is no doubt, that left
to their own devices,

691
00:35:14,466 --> 00:35:19,166
markets would have
eventually replaced slavery
with cleaner sources of labor.

692
00:35:19,766 --> 00:35:21,699
To prove my point,

693
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,233
please join me on what
Albert Einstein used to call
a thought experiment.

694
00:35:26,766 --> 00:35:31,165
Suppose, involuntarily
imported labor
had never been outlawed.

695
00:35:31,166 --> 00:35:34,499
That slaves still existed,
and that it were easy
to own one.

696
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:38,632
What do you think,
it would cost today to
profitably maintain a slave

697
00:35:38,633 --> 00:35:41,232
say here in Tampere?

698
00:35:41,233 --> 00:35:46,165
Let's see,
a finished clothing set costs
$50 at the very least.

699
00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:49,765
Uh, two meals
from McDonalds,
uh, costs about $10.

700
00:35:49,766 --> 00:35:54,065
The cheapest small room
probably runs for
about $250 a month.

701
00:35:54,066 --> 00:35:56,532
To function well,
you have to pay
for your slaves health care.

702
00:35:56,533 --> 00:35:59,365
If its country of origin
was polluted for example

703
00:35:59,366 --> 00:36:01,365
that might run
very expensively.

704
00:36:01,366 --> 00:36:03,699
And of course,
with child labor laws
here in Finland,

705
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,533
uh, much of the youth market
is simply not available.

706
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:12,232
Now leave the, uh,
same slave back at home,
let's say, Gabon.

707
00:36:12,233 --> 00:36:16,265
In Gabon $10 pays
for two weeks of food.

708
00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:21,265
Two hundred and fifty dollars
pays for two years of housing
not a month at best.

709
00:36:21,266 --> 00:36:24,766
Uh, $50 pays for a lifetime
of budget clothing

710
00:36:25,033 --> 00:36:28,365
and health care
is, of course, cheaper
and on top of it all

711
00:36:28,366 --> 00:36:31,699
youth can
be gainfully employed
without restriction.

712
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,265
The biggest benefit
of the remote
labor system though

713
00:36:34,266 --> 00:36:36,399
is to the slave
him or herself.

714
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,766
Because in Gabon,
there is no need for
the slave not to be free.

715
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:45,232
This is primarily because
there are no one-time slave
transport costs to recoup

716
00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,399
and so the potential
losses from fleeing

717
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,565
are limited to the slave's
rudimentary training.

718
00:36:50,566 --> 00:36:52,699
So, since the slave
can be free,

719
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:56,432
he or she suddenly
becomes a worker
rather than a slave.

720
00:36:56,433 --> 00:37:00,265
Also terrific for morale
is that slaves, workers

721
00:37:00,266 --> 00:37:02,565
have the luxury
of remaining in
their native habitat

722
00:37:02,566 --> 00:37:05,332
and don't have to
relocate to places where
they would be subject to

723
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:09,699
such unpleasantries
as home sickness and racism.

724
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,132
I think it's clear
from our little
thought experiment

725
00:37:13,133 --> 00:37:16,399
that if the North
and South had let
the market sort it out

726
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,399
without protectionist tariffs

727
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,265
they would have
quickly given up slavery

728
00:37:20,266 --> 00:37:22,599
for something
more efficient anyhow.

729
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,699
By forcing the issue,

730
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,733
the North not only committed
a terrible injustice against
the freedom of the South

731
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,733
but also deprived slavery
of its natural development
into remote labor.

732
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:37,599
Had the leaders of the 1860s
United States understood

733
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,599
what our leaders
understand today,

734
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,465
the Civil War would
have never happened.

735
00:37:42,466 --> 00:37:44,465
In a world where the
headquarters of a company

736
00:37:44,466 --> 00:37:48,299
might be in New York,
Honk Kong,
or Espoo Finland

737
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,599
and the workers are
in Gabon, Rangoon,
or Estonia.

738
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,765
How does the manager
maintain proper rapport
with the workers

739
00:37:55,766 --> 00:37:59,299
and how does he or she
ensure from a distance that
workers perform their work

740
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:00,466
in an ethical fashion?

741
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,465
I'm about to show you
an actual prototype

742
00:38:04,466 --> 00:38:09,099
of the WTO's solution
to two major management
problems of today.

743
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,299
Now, we all know that,
not even the best
workplace design can help

744
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,733
even the most astute manager
keep track of workers.

745
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,465
What you need is a solution
that enables complete
rapport with workers

746
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:23,566
especially when they
are located far away.

747
00:38:24,766 --> 00:38:26,533
Mike, would you
help me a moment?

748
00:38:41,466 --> 00:38:43,300
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)

749
00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:50,632
Thank you.

750
00:38:50,633 --> 00:38:54,765
This is much better.
Much more comfortable.

751
00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:59,399
This is the WTO's answer
to two of the major
management problems

752
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,532
and we're calling it
"The Management Leisure Suit."

753
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:05,132
It's a...
The two problems again,

754
00:39:05,133 --> 00:39:07,665
how to maintain
close rapport
with distant workers

755
00:39:07,666 --> 00:39:12,532
and how to remain
comfortable and increase
leisure activities.

756
00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:15,532
How does the, uh,
Management Leisure Suit work?

757
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:18,733
Besides being
extremely comfortable,
as I can guarantee you.

758
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,666
Well, allow me to describe
the Suit's core features.

759
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,166
(AIR HISSING)

760
00:39:39,166 --> 00:39:40,433
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

761
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:47,166
(AIR HISSING)

762
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:49,633
This... This...

763
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:53,065
Is the EVA.

764
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:56,699
The Employee
Visualization Appendage.

765
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:02,066
It's an instantly deployable
hip-mounted device with
totally handsfree operation

766
00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:07,699
that allows the manager
to see his employees
directly right here.

767
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,766
Signals communicating
the exact amount and
quality of physical work

768
00:40:12,033 --> 00:40:14,532
are transmitted
not only visually right here

769
00:40:14,533 --> 00:40:16,432
but directly through
electric channels

770
00:40:16,433 --> 00:40:19,165
implanted directly
into the manager.

771
00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:21,599
Uh, the workers,
for their part,
are fitted with

772
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,599
corresponding
transmitting chips

773
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,599
that are implanted humanely
directly into the shoulder.

774
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,432
But the other equally
important achievement
of the MLS

775
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:33,565
has to do with leisure.

776
00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:34,599
In the United States

777
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,465
leisure, another word
for freedom really,

778
00:40:37,466 --> 00:40:41,099
has, uh, been decreasing
steadily since the 1970s.

779
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,599
The "Management Leisure Suit"

780
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,532
permits the manager
to reverse this trend

781
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:47,199
by letting him
do his work anywhere

782
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,432
while remaining
in complete touch
with the workers.

783
00:40:50,433 --> 00:40:54,465
Physically sensing
what's going on in the
workforce on the floor

784
00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:57,099
through channels implanted
directly into the manager.

785
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,165
Again the manager
sees the employees

786
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:03,565
but also feels
what they're feeling
and can select

787
00:41:03,566 --> 00:41:06,133
where to focus
in the workplace environment.

788
00:41:07,433 --> 00:41:10,099
So, in conclusion

789
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,466
I'd like to ask
"Is this a science
fiction scenario?"

790
00:41:14,466 --> 00:41:15,533
(CHUCKLING)

791
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:20,433
The answer is "no."

792
00:41:21,433 --> 00:41:23,099
Everything we've seen here,

793
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,599
everything we've been
talking about is entirely
possible today.

794
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,732
We can always look forward
on the highways of progress,

795
00:41:29,733 --> 00:41:33,465
towards ever new horizons
with cooperation

796
00:41:33,466 --> 00:41:36,565
and mutual delight
in the fruits of prosperity.

797
00:41:36,566 --> 00:41:38,332
I'm very excited to be here.

798
00:41:38,333 --> 00:41:39,599
Thank you very much.

799
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,233
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)

800
00:42:05,666 --> 00:42:08,566
Something we're trying
to do more and more as...
Yeah.

801
00:42:29,566 --> 00:42:31,699
I wasn't depressed
by people not reacting.

802
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,665
I wasn't depressed by
people just swallowing it
and not asking questions.

803
00:42:34,666 --> 00:42:36,699
Because I thought,
"Well, that shows

804
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,565
"that you need some
sort of control."

805
00:42:39,566 --> 00:42:40,699
Because here you can,
you know,

806
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,499
the WTO, me,

807
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,665
can come in
and say these
amazingly hideous things

808
00:42:44,666 --> 00:42:46,765
<i>to this group of
the most educated people,</i>

809
00:42:46,766 --> 00:42:51,165
like the top .1%,
education-wise, people
in the entire world

810
00:42:51,166 --> 00:42:52,766
in a developed country
like Finland...

811
00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:55,399
These people all have
PhDs or advanced degrees

812
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,665
and you can say
the most atrocious things

813
00:42:57,666 --> 00:42:59,665
and nobody
will really react

814
00:42:59,666 --> 00:43:01,199
and nobody
will really care.

815
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,265
It's like, you know,
what can...

816
00:43:03,266 --> 00:43:05,300
What can't corporations
get away with?

817
00:43:10,033 --> 00:43:11,699
(BELL DINGING)

818
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:13,533
(WOMAN ANNOUNCING IN SWEDISH)

819
00:43:14,566 --> 00:43:16,000
Mmm.

820
00:43:18,366 --> 00:43:19,599
MAN: So, where are we?

821
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,299
Well, we're arriving
in Helsinki right now.

822
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,199
Um, we left
the conference
this morning.

823
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,565
It was just, um...

824
00:43:26,566 --> 00:43:28,565
<i>It had just driven
us completely mad.</i>

825
00:43:28,566 --> 00:43:30,299
(CHUCKLING) <i>After
dinner last night we...</i>

826
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,599
<i>I think we had
had our fill at dinner.</i>

827
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,599
I had to actually
leave a little bit early.

828
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,732
I went over to the
table where Unruh...

829
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:43,299
<i>Where Hanky Hardy
had to sit with
the big man and eat.</i>

830
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,665
And I told them that
we needed to leave

831
00:43:45,666 --> 00:43:47,599
because we had
a telephone meeting

832
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,666
with Mobutu Oblongatu
immediately.

833
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,732
(ALL LAUGHING)

834
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:54,399
Great.
Hi!

835
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,632
Sorry,
but in a minute

836
00:43:55,633 --> 00:43:57,632
we're supposed
to meet Manduka Javango.

837
00:43:57,633 --> 00:43:59,732
Oh, God!
At 10:00.

838
00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:01,399
And then we both
started laughing

839
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,099
<i>which is really
not convenient
for the context.</i>

840
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,765
<i>So, we left
and then we just decided
that basically like...</i>

841
00:44:08,766 --> 00:44:13,399
We couldn't figure out
what else we could possibly
do at this conference.

842
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
So, we just thought,
"Well, let's go
to Helsinki instead."

843
00:44:18,266 --> 00:44:20,632
So, this is the paper.
On the front page, uh...

844
00:44:20,633 --> 00:44:22,265
Just discovered it.

845
00:44:22,266 --> 00:44:25,632
It says
"There's a seminar
at the university

846
00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:29,732
"and, um,
that somebody talked about
controlling remote workers

847
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,632
"with electrical impulsions."

848
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:32,733
Impulse, yeah.

849
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,033
And then you
turn to the page.

850
00:44:37,133 --> 00:44:38,632
And that's what you get.

851
00:44:38,633 --> 00:44:42,132
BONANNO: And this,
right here represents

852
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:44,200
the World Trade
Organization.

853
00:44:44,733 --> 00:44:45,765
This...

854
00:44:45,766 --> 00:44:47,265
This is
This is

855
00:44:47,266 --> 00:44:49,700
the World Trade Organization.
the World Trade Organization.

856
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,665
MOORE: <i>I went down
to this Mexican border
towns in the mid '80s.</i>

857
00:44:58,666 --> 00:44:59,733
<i>They were called maquiladoras.</i>

858
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,765
And when they first had,
you know, this sort of

859
00:45:01,766 --> 00:45:05,765
the first trade agreements
between Mexico and
the United States.

860
00:45:05,766 --> 00:45:08,733
<i>And everyone was saying
"Oh, this is gonna raise
Mexico out of poverty</i>

861
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,665
<i>"and things are
gonna be so great</i>

862
00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:14,399
<i>"and within 10 years
they'd all be driving
shiny new cars in Mexico."</i>

863
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,699
And I went
down there and saw this...
The incredible poverty

864
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:21,432
in these Mexican
border towns.

865
00:45:21,433 --> 00:45:22,699
15 years later
I went back.

866
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,699
Not a damn thing
had changed.

867
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:28,733
<i>Here's all these workers
working for all these
American corporations.</i>

868
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,532
<i>And you just go
across the street</i>

869
00:45:31,533 --> 00:45:34,332
<i>and you found people
living in the same
horrid conditions.</i>

870
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,766
<i>The same poverty existing.</i>

871
00:45:37,033 --> 00:45:40,299
And you have to ask
"Well, who is benefiting
from this?"

872
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,732
<i>Well, who benefited
were these American
corporations.</i>

873
00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:45,699
<i>During the 1990s they
became even more wealthy.</i>

874
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:48,665
They posted a record profit,
larger record profits.

875
00:45:48,666 --> 00:45:51,532
And the people of Mexico
just continue to suffer.

876
00:45:51,533 --> 00:45:53,766
It's all a big scam.

877
00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,733
(RADIO PLAYING)

878
00:46:11,366 --> 00:46:12,699
BONANNO: <i>This is the one?</i>

879
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,332
No.
(EXHALING)

880
00:46:14,333 --> 00:46:16,000
You got the wrong one.

881
00:46:16,433 --> 00:46:18,732
Shit!

882
00:46:18,733 --> 00:46:20,465
Will WTO stand up?
BICHLBAUM: Oh, yeah.

883
00:46:20,466 --> 00:46:23,065
Oh, my God!
It's got pictures.
They're nice.

884
00:46:23,066 --> 00:46:24,766
You see...
Yeah, they actually
look okay.

885
00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:26,565
at that size.
Bichlbaum isn't an employee...

886
00:46:26,566 --> 00:46:29,332
Wow, but he plays
one on TV.

887
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:32,332
BONANNO: <i>Yeah,
this is basically
the core of what we do.</i>

888
00:46:32,333 --> 00:46:35,700
<i>All of these newspapers
and magazines have articles</i>

889
00:46:36,366 --> 00:46:37,499
on the Yes Men.

890
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:41,232
And this is why
we are doing these things.

891
00:46:41,233 --> 00:46:43,099
This is why we go
and do these conferences.

892
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,532
This is not
for the 200 people
or the 100 people

893
00:46:45,533 --> 00:46:48,099
that might see us
give the lecture.

894
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,532
Although we like them

895
00:46:49,533 --> 00:46:51,732
to come away with
an interesting experience
from the lecture.

896
00:46:51,733 --> 00:46:53,765
The reason we do it

897
00:46:53,766 --> 00:46:56,765
is so that people
who read <i>Bizzarre</i> magazine

898
00:46:56,766 --> 00:47:00,732
or the <i>New York Times</i>
or <i>Fortune</i> or <i>Harper's</i>
can read about it

899
00:47:00,733 --> 00:47:02,232
in the mainstream press.

900
00:47:02,233 --> 00:47:04,232
I mean this is how
millions of people

901
00:47:04,233 --> 00:47:06,232
can read about it
and potentially

902
00:47:06,233 --> 00:47:10,100
get turned on to
some of the ideas
of anti-globalization.

903
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,765
One of the problems
with the <i>Fortune</i>
thing is that

904
00:47:14,766 --> 00:47:16,599
it's in this, this, uh...

905
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,765
Well, <i>Fortune,</i> it's like
read by business people

906
00:47:19,766 --> 00:47:22,132
and accountants
and that kind of thing.

907
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:24,766
And that's exactly
who we're um,

908
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,499
supposed to be talking to
in Australia in May.

909
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:31,132
It's an accounting
conference.

910
00:47:31,133 --> 00:47:33,300
It's a little,
little worrisome.

911
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:45,733
You need a new shirt.

912
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,265
And one that's
not wrinkled.
Yeah.

913
00:47:47,266 --> 00:47:50,265
Will that be good
with your, um, thing?
Oh, yeah.

914
00:47:50,266 --> 00:47:51,733
Do you think it'll
work with your suit?
Yeah.

915
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,399
This one's extra-large.
Yeah, they'll all
work with my suit.

916
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,665
It's terrible.

917
00:47:55,666 --> 00:47:58,766
It's striped though.
Is that okay?
Yeah.

918
00:47:59,033 --> 00:48:01,132
I'm sure it's okay.
I mean, why don't you
go get a shirt then?

919
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:02,299
I'll just get this. Wait.
Yeah.

920
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:04,766
It's co... Oh, it's not
very much cotton.

921
00:48:05,033 --> 00:48:06,665
How much is that?
I hate that.

922
00:48:06,666 --> 00:48:09,299
35.
It's 35%. It's like...

923
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:10,733
No, it's fine...
It doesn't wrinkle
much then.

924
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,165
That's nice about that.

925
00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:14,065
I'll just wear it. Okay.
You can pack it...

926
00:48:14,066 --> 00:48:15,300
All right.

927
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,132
BONANNO: <i>I mean,
the thing is like...</i>

928
00:48:23,133 --> 00:48:24,599
<i>There's a question
of whether he is...</i>

929
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,132
Like at what point
he recognizes you
doesn't really matter.

930
00:48:27,133 --> 00:48:28,365
What we want is that...
(CLEARING THROAT)

931
00:48:28,366 --> 00:48:30,733
That moment.
That moment when
he does recognize you.

932
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,766
So, if he recognizes
you here

933
00:48:32,033 --> 00:48:33,766
and sees that
you're in the room,

934
00:48:34,033 --> 00:48:37,132
<i>then he'll be, he'll be
looking back and forth
at you, at the screen...</i>

935
00:48:37,133 --> 00:48:40,566
<i>At that point
if he recognizes you,
we better say something.</i>

936
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,533
BONANNO: Guess, no.
I think it's down here
but I don't know.

937
00:49:10,066 --> 00:49:11,200
Thank you.

938
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,065
Barry, hi.
How are you doing?
Hi! Nice to meet you.

939
00:49:17,066 --> 00:49:20,165
Good to meet you.
Good. Great. Yeah.

940
00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:22,665
We're in London
and we were just at the

941
00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:24,732
<i>offices of the World
Development Movement</i>

942
00:49:24,733 --> 00:49:27,232
<i>where we talked
to Barry Coates</i>

943
00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:28,732
<i>who's the director of the
World Development Movement.</i>

944
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:33,099
And who showed up
on CNBC <i>MarketWrap</i> Europe

945
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,199
debating, um,
our friend here
Granwyth Hulatberi

946
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,399
about, uh, the prospects
of WTO and globalization.

947
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,199
Um, we kind
of expected him

948
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,099
maybe to have a glimmer
of recognition immediately.

949
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,632
<i>And he didn't. Okay.
Then we put on the tape.</i>

950
00:49:47,633 --> 00:49:53,232
And he laughed
at how horribly
stupid it was.

951
00:49:53,233 --> 00:49:56,232
But he never realized
that this wasn't

952
00:49:56,233 --> 00:49:58,199
really a representative
of WTO.

953
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,099
Even when he
saw me like this
right next to him.

954
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,532
<i>And then we switched seats
and he still didn't notice.</i>

955
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:07,599
<i>And then I had to put
my face next to the thing
and like...</i>

956
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,599
BONANNO: Yeah.
Let's just pause it here.

957
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,132
Okay. Hit stop.
Um, is there a pause?

958
00:50:12,133 --> 00:50:14,232
Stop button.
There's no pause.

959
00:50:14,233 --> 00:50:16,399
I don't know
what I could have
said after that.

960
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,599
After that clip.

961
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,765
I mean, really...

962
00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:21,265
(BOTH LAUGHING)

963
00:50:21,266 --> 00:50:22,565
Where did they
get this guy from?

964
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:25,099
Afterwards.
Might have been
my first comment.

965
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,433
So, did you ever
figure out where
they got the guy from?

966
00:50:28,366 --> 00:50:30,099
I understood
that he was

967
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:35,265
part of the external
relations department
of the WTO.

968
00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:36,299
Right. That's what
they thought.

969
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:37,600
That's what
they thought as well too.

970
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,232
BOTH: But, as it happens...

971
00:50:41,233 --> 00:50:42,399
BONANNO: He wasn't.

972
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,532
BICHLBAUM: Yeah.
In fact...

973
00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:45,500
BICHLBAUM: Just take
one more close look.

974
00:50:47,266 --> 00:50:49,266
Oh, wait! Can we...
Is this reverse?

975
00:50:53,166 --> 00:50:55,066
No!
(BOTH LAUGHING)

976
00:50:58,266 --> 00:51:01,165
I wasn't going
to mention that.
The likeness.

977
00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:04,100
Are you serious?
BONANNO: You were being
very polite, weren't you?

978
00:51:05,166 --> 00:51:06,733
Yeah.
You did it as a spoof.

979
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,133
Yeah.
Yeah, basically.

980
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,565
Good. We weren't sure
how you'd...

981
00:51:13,566 --> 00:51:16,699
We were really hoping
you wouldn't be too
offended, really. Oh no!

982
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:18,199
Oh, hell no!
That's great!

983
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,432
(LAUGHING) That's really...

984
00:51:19,433 --> 00:51:20,599
I was wondering.

985
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,399
Cause I hadn't seen
that guy before

986
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,432
and I did know some of
the WTO external relations

987
00:51:25,433 --> 00:51:27,465
people and I was thinking,

988
00:51:27,466 --> 00:51:30,165
"My God!
They really put up
a ripe one this time."

989
00:51:30,166 --> 00:51:32,732
We wanted to talk
to Barry Coates as well

990
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:37,199
because he has a lot
of statistics and
information about

991
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,732
globalization
that we thought
would be useful

992
00:51:38,733 --> 00:51:41,199
for the lecture
in Australia.

993
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,165
All of the WTO agreements,
bar one,

994
00:51:44,166 --> 00:51:47,199
are all about
restricting what
governments can do.

995
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,766
And so essentially
the whole trading system
is built on the premise

996
00:51:52,033 --> 00:51:57,332
that the companies
trading internationally,
investing internationally

997
00:51:57,333 --> 00:51:59,233
are going to be preyed upon

998
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,199
by nasty governments.

999
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,065
And really,

1000
00:52:04,066 --> 00:52:06,332
I mean, what we have
is an international system

1001
00:52:06,333 --> 00:52:07,465
that is entirely
the reverse.

1002
00:52:07,466 --> 00:52:10,265
What's got squeezed
out of the system

1003
00:52:10,266 --> 00:52:12,665
is democracy,
is development,
is environment,

1004
00:52:12,666 --> 00:52:16,232
is the kind
of human values

1005
00:52:16,233 --> 00:52:19,365
which really ought
to be the center of
what we're trying to do.

1006
00:52:19,366 --> 00:52:22,665
We don't kind
of live to trade.
Yeah.

1007
00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:26,232
You know, we live
to have decent lives.

1008
00:52:26,233 --> 00:52:28,365
And that ought
to be the goal
of our trade policy,

1009
00:52:28,366 --> 00:52:33,200
not maximizing trade
or getting rid of any
impediments to it.

1010
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:54,665
(ELEVATOR DINGING)

1011
00:52:54,666 --> 00:52:56,300
Oh!

1012
00:52:57,366 --> 00:52:58,200
Okay.

1013
00:52:59,366 --> 00:53:00,766
That's good.
Got that.

1014
00:53:01,766 --> 00:53:03,200
Need to get the video.

1015
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,200
And we'll be off.

1016
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,300
<i>Let's see.</i>

1017
00:53:12,266 --> 00:53:15,399
<i>Uh, one of the big reasons
why I'm up here is</i>

1018
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,265
that we have
the Australia gig,

1019
00:53:17,266 --> 00:53:18,665
uh, for the Yes Men.

1020
00:53:18,666 --> 00:53:20,232
<i>I did a animation</i>

1021
00:53:20,233 --> 00:53:23,265
about, uh, you know
the recycling of
post-consumer waste

1022
00:53:23,266 --> 00:53:26,000
into, uh, hamburgers
and fast food.

1023
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,265
<i>So, um...</i>

1024
00:53:28,266 --> 00:53:29,733
BICHLBAUM: Here we go.

1025
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,132
LICHTY:
"The answer to the world's
sustainable food future

1026
00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:34,265
"is in recycling.

1027
00:53:34,266 --> 00:53:36,699
"And since over
half our nutrients
taken in are eliminated

1028
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,366
"valuable resources
are at risk.

1029
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:40,399
"By using post-consumer waste

1030
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,299
"reBurger allows
essential nutrients

1031
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:43,565
"to be offered
to developing countries

1032
00:53:43,566 --> 00:53:45,299
"for greatly
reduced cost."

1033
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,000
Uh-huh. Oh! Okay.

1034
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,033
(ALL LAUGHING)

1035
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:54,565
Oh.
It gets, it gets better.

1036
00:53:54,566 --> 00:53:56,265
Oh!
Okay!

1037
00:53:56,266 --> 00:53:57,399
Wait!
What was that!

1038
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,265
Is that in outer space?

1039
00:53:58,266 --> 00:54:00,499
Yeah, I'm sorry!

1040
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,366
(STAMMERING)
I think it does the job.
I think it does the job.

1041
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,299
BICHLBAUM: <i>We're here
in New York because</i>

1042
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:09,665
Herb Alpert,

1043
00:54:09,666 --> 00:54:13,065
um, of <i>Herb Alpert
& the Tijuana Brass,</i>

1044
00:54:13,066 --> 00:54:15,332
um, is, gave us this award.

1045
00:54:15,333 --> 00:54:16,699
Um, bunch of money

1046
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,766
to do what,
you know, the kind
of stuff that we do.

1047
00:54:20,033 --> 00:54:22,399
Um, so we had
to come here and
have dinner with him.

1048
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,299
And, and, you know,
get the money

1049
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:26,599
and, and thank everybody
and it was very nice.

1050
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,599
And it's very surprising.

1051
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,765
But we're very pleased.

1052
00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:32,599
I think we can say
that we're very pleased.

1053
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,332
Yeah, it was a big
chunk of money.

1054
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:36,765
It's gonna bank
roll a lot of
future activities

1055
00:54:36,766 --> 00:54:38,365
like going to Australia.

1056
00:54:38,366 --> 00:54:39,599
Oh, yeah.
Um...

1057
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,599
Yeah, so we got
this chunk of money

1058
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,065
but of course
now we're also using
this opportunity

1059
00:54:44,066 --> 00:54:45,766
and this hotel room
here in New York

1060
00:54:46,033 --> 00:54:47,065
<i>to meet up with Matt,</i>

1061
00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:48,632
<i>who's been working
on the PowerPoint</i>

1062
00:54:48,633 --> 00:54:50,465
presentation
for Australia.

1063
00:54:50,466 --> 00:54:53,065
And to meet up
with Patrick who's
been working on

1064
00:54:53,066 --> 00:54:55,332
animations for
Australia as well.

1065
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,199
<i>Fortunately we were
lucky too because, uh,</i>

1066
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,365
<i>Snafu was in town.</i>

1067
00:54:59,366 --> 00:55:01,733
And he's sort of, uh,
a European Yes Man.

1068
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,365
<i>Who's been sort of
circulating in the
European scene</i>

1069
00:55:04,366 --> 00:55:07,099
<i>doing Yes Man
type activities.</i>

1070
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:10,132
But, uh, it's a good
thing he's here,
here in the States

1071
00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:11,633
so he can go
to Plattsburg with us.

1072
00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,499
"Yes, trade liberalization

1073
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:14,665
"is a religious undertaking.

1074
00:55:14,666 --> 00:55:16,765
"A project of faith,
a crusade of sorts

1075
00:55:16,766 --> 00:55:18,765
"and it has been
ever since its founders

1076
00:55:18,766 --> 00:55:22,499
"declared that financial
success comes from God
and that wealth is a sign

1077
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:24,065
"of divine favor.

1078
00:55:24,066 --> 00:55:28,099
"Now, why is starvation
a problem?

1079
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:29,599
"First, the facts.
As we all know,

1080
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,500
"investment and exports
has been on the rise..."

1081
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:36,532
There's some bad news.

1082
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:39,532
There's some really
bad news that came down
in the last two days.

1083
00:55:39,533 --> 00:55:43,132
Um, the conference
in Australia...

1084
00:55:43,133 --> 00:55:45,399
The people from
the conference
in Australia

1085
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,532
wrote an e-mail saying
that the conference
has been canceled

1086
00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,365
<i>because of low enrollment.</i>

1087
00:55:50,366 --> 00:55:52,365
In some ways
it's really kind of...

1088
00:55:52,366 --> 00:55:54,365
I guess, uh,
a nice thing

1089
00:55:54,366 --> 00:55:55,532
that there was
under-enrollment

1090
00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:57,399
because it was
really a hideous
conference.

1091
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,432
And it seemed like
a really dire thing that

1092
00:56:00,433 --> 00:56:02,665
people would actually
want to go to that thing.

1093
00:56:02,666 --> 00:56:05,399
And so, it's really
encouraging for humanity

1094
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,432
that the conference
actually has been canceled.

1095
00:56:07,433 --> 00:56:09,465
But at the same time
it's really, um,

1096
00:56:09,466 --> 00:56:11,365
<i>made things
difficult for us.</i>

1097
00:56:11,366 --> 00:56:14,733
<i>And so I wrote back
to them as Hildegard West
and I asked them</i>

1098
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,365
if they would please
set up another venue

1099
00:56:17,366 --> 00:56:21,432
because Kinnithrung Sprat
is already on route
to Australia.

1100
00:56:21,433 --> 00:56:25,399
<i>So, right now,
I'm waiting to see
if they come back to us</i>

1101
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,532
<i>with a suggestion
that they'll actually
have a public presentation.</i>

1102
00:56:28,533 --> 00:56:31,399
But since the conference
has been canceled

1103
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,699
now the event
in Plattsburg
is kind of like...

1104
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:36,399
<i>It might be the only
venue we have
for this lecture.</i>

1105
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,065
<i>And so, it's really
important now</i>

1106
00:56:38,066 --> 00:56:40,432
<i>that we get the lecture
done and sort of together.</i>

1107
00:56:40,433 --> 00:56:42,432
<i>So, it's no longer
a dress rehearsal.</i>

1108
00:56:42,433 --> 00:56:44,532
<i>It's actually like</i>

1109
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:46,766
<i>the final,
you know, production.</i>

1110
00:56:48,633 --> 00:56:49,766
<i>It's about time.</i>

1111
00:56:50,033 --> 00:56:51,465
What?
I was so worried
about your shoes.

1112
00:56:51,466 --> 00:56:53,532
About what...
This guy
brought shoes.

1113
00:56:53,533 --> 00:56:55,265
He brought real
shoes for you. Look.

1114
00:56:55,266 --> 00:56:57,565
Do we have the
hamburgers yet?

1115
00:56:57,566 --> 00:56:58,766
Uh, we have to pick them up.

1116
00:56:59,033 --> 00:57:00,399
But, you, you mentioned...
They're ordered.

1117
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,465
They're ordered.
Yeah, Richard
ordered them.

1118
00:57:02,466 --> 00:57:04,565
BICHLBAUM: That's fantastic.

1119
00:57:04,566 --> 00:57:06,599
Basically there's this guy
named Richard Robbins

1120
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,499
who I met at a conference
about a month ago.

1121
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,599
<i>And he has written
several books on sort of
global... Globalization.</i>

1122
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,465
BICHLBAUM: <i>He was interested
in having the WTO</i>

1123
00:57:17,466 --> 00:57:20,199
come speak
at the Economics department.

1124
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,599
And only he really knows
that this isn't, um,
really the WTO.

1125
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,299
Everybody else
will think that
it's the WTO.

1126
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,599
But another good thing
is that it will be
a hungry audience.

1127
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,065
So there's a good chance
they are going to eat
those hamburgers.

1128
00:57:32,066 --> 00:57:34,565
<i>Which we weren't sure
was actually gonna happen</i>

1129
00:57:34,566 --> 00:57:36,466
<i>with the accountants
in Australia.</i>

1130
00:57:38,566 --> 00:57:40,065
You know,
I think for a,

1131
00:57:40,066 --> 00:57:42,499
for look,
I should probably
carry these in.

1132
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:43,633
Okay. Can you do it?

1133
00:57:44,633 --> 00:57:45,699
Yeah, I'm thinking
that, uh

1134
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:47,465
that you probably
shouldn't be associated

1135
00:57:47,466 --> 00:57:48,433
with the hamburgers.
Okay.

1136
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,732
BICHLBAUM: <i>I'd like to thank
everybody for coming.</i>

1137
00:57:51,733 --> 00:57:54,499
<i>Um, you have many
education choices.</i>

1138
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,632
<i>And, uh, we're all
grateful at the WTO</i>

1139
00:57:57,633 --> 00:58:00,465
<i>that you have chosen
to listen to us for an hour.</i>

1140
00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:04,332
<i>And to our messages
about things that will
impact everyone.</i>

1141
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:05,765
<i>I'd like to, to say that</i>

1142
00:58:05,766 --> 00:58:08,332
<i>by joining us here
you're essentially embarking</i>

1143
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:09,533
<i>with us on a mission.</i>

1144
00:58:10,633 --> 00:58:13,133
I'd like to start
right at the beginning.

1145
00:58:13,633 --> 00:58:15,265
As I was saying

1146
00:58:15,266 --> 00:58:17,632
trade liberalization
is a project of faith.

1147
00:58:17,633 --> 00:58:19,000
It's a crusade.

1148
00:58:19,766 --> 00:58:21,465
And in any crusade
there are problems.

1149
00:58:21,466 --> 00:58:24,132
There are invading armies,
there are big blockades.

1150
00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:28,499
And one of the, the problems
that we run into

1151
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:31,232
in this crusade is starvation
in the Third World.

1152
00:58:31,233 --> 00:58:33,665
You may recognize
that symbol from
those green bins you see.

1153
00:58:33,666 --> 00:58:36,499
You know, where cans,
bottles, blah-blah...

1154
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,365
The kind of recycling
I'm talking about

1155
00:58:38,366 --> 00:58:40,499
that we have
developed at the WTO

1156
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:45,499
is not, not really this,
this irrelevant kind
of recycling

1157
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,532
where the target
individual consumers

1158
00:58:47,533 --> 00:58:49,299
like you and me or

1159
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:52,165
of, uh, non-edible
industrial products

1160
00:58:52,166 --> 00:58:54,499
is such a tiny part
of the problem.

1161
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:55,665
Rather we're talking about

1162
00:58:55,666 --> 00:58:59,665
really recycling
what counts where it counts.

1163
00:58:59,666 --> 00:59:01,532
To begin to understand
the theory behind this

1164
00:59:01,533 --> 00:59:05,632
you must first realize
that the human body is
not really very efficient.

1165
00:59:05,633 --> 00:59:07,399
When ingesting heavy foods

1166
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,332
only about 20%

1167
00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:12,565
of the nutrients
are absorbed by the
elementary passageway,

1168
00:59:12,566 --> 00:59:17,665
while the other 80%
finds itself expelled in
post-consumer by-products.

1169
00:59:17,666 --> 00:59:19,665
Already 20 years ago,
NASA scientists

1170
00:59:19,666 --> 00:59:22,565
began to tap into
this nutritional goldmine

1171
00:59:22,566 --> 00:59:24,065
by developing filters

1172
00:59:24,066 --> 00:59:27,365
that could transform
their astronauts waste
into healthy,

1173
00:59:27,366 --> 00:59:30,265
hygienic and even
delicious food once again.

1174
00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:31,766
With the use
of this technology,

1175
00:59:32,033 --> 00:59:33,565
a single hamburger
for example

1176
00:59:33,566 --> 00:59:36,199
can be eaten more
than 10 times

1177
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,299
providing a cumulative total

1178
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,165
of three times
the nutritional value

1179
00:59:41,166 --> 00:59:43,565
of the original
fresh hamburger.

1180
00:59:43,566 --> 00:59:47,232
Now again,
a certain amount of cultural
openness is required,

1181
00:59:47,233 --> 00:59:50,332
um, as we
investigate solutions.

1182
00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:52,365
And I'd love
to take any, uh, questions.

1183
00:59:52,366 --> 00:59:53,599
Yes, you've been...

1184
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,232
Coming from
a Third World country

1185
00:59:55,233 --> 00:59:58,732
I found most
of what you said
pretty offensive.

1186
00:59:58,733 --> 01:00:02,065
It's as if, uh...
Everyone is equal

1187
01:00:02,066 --> 01:00:04,065
but some are
more equal than others?

1188
01:00:04,066 --> 01:00:05,599
And, uh...

1189
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,332
Who is to say
whether people in the
third world want a burger?

1190
01:00:09,333 --> 01:00:13,232
You know, I, in my heart
sometimes find it,
to agree that...

1191
01:00:13,233 --> 01:00:16,332
That cultures deserve
equal consideration

1192
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,065
perhaps to develop
on their own terms

1193
01:00:18,066 --> 01:00:20,065
but, you know,
we're different.

1194
01:00:20,066 --> 01:00:22,332
We're culturally different.
We're rich, they're poor.

1195
01:00:22,333 --> 01:00:24,699
This is the
most humane solution
we can come up with

1196
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:26,732
that stays within
the market logic.

1197
01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:29,365
BONANNO: If it's
all right, I could answer
a portion of that,

1198
01:00:29,366 --> 01:00:30,733
of that question as well.

1199
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,732
And this answers the question
about desire for the product

1200
01:00:34,733 --> 01:00:38,099
because, the biggest
growth areas are
the developing world.

1201
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:42,165
And so, uh, in fact
people do want the product.

1202
01:00:42,166 --> 01:00:45,599
We do have a kind of
video presentation
about this that I...

1203
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,332
I came prepared
to show. It's not...

1204
01:00:48,333 --> 01:00:51,633
The program isn't actually
completely ready yet.

1205
01:00:54,366 --> 01:00:57,232
BONANNO: So, as you can
see here there's a consumer

1206
01:00:57,233 --> 01:01:01,765
uh, in the first world
entering McDonalds
and, uh...

1207
01:01:01,766 --> 01:01:03,333
Consuming a hamburger.

1208
01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:09,599
And afterward,
this is a process
we're all familiar with.

1209
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,200
I don't need to
explain it to anyone.

1210
01:01:13,166 --> 01:01:14,566
(AUDIENCE CHUCKLES)
BONANNO: But...

1211
01:01:16,133 --> 01:01:19,332
You see, it's rendered out
in this style because, uh,

1212
01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:23,399
studies have shown that
consumers are most responsive

1213
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:28,765
to 3D animation right now
particularly in
developing cultures.

1214
01:01:28,766 --> 01:01:30,265
(CLEARING THROAT)
So, as you can see
it goes through

1215
01:01:30,266 --> 01:01:32,132
a piping system,
a kind of...

1216
01:01:32,133 --> 01:01:34,632
And this isn't unusual,
we do this for oil.

1217
01:01:34,633 --> 01:01:36,632
We could do this
for food as well.

1218
01:01:36,633 --> 01:01:40,733
And as you can see
it goes back up through
the plumbing

1219
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,132
and emerges in a McDonalds.

1220
01:01:44,133 --> 01:01:47,665
Now the part of this video
that isn't completed yet
is the filtering process.

1221
01:01:47,666 --> 01:01:50,665
There will be a...
A very well rendered

1222
01:01:50,666 --> 01:01:53,700
uh, filtering...
(AUDIENCE GROANS)

1223
01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:57,600
(AUDIENCE CHUCKLES)
(CLAPPING)

1224
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:04,699
BONANNO: And, uh,
as you can see,

1225
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,165
this might answer somebody's
question from before

1226
01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:09,766
but at the McDonalds
in a developing country,

1227
01:02:10,033 --> 01:02:11,432
and in fact
in this country as well,

1228
01:02:11,433 --> 01:02:13,299
you'd be able to choose...

1229
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:15,699
The number one,
number two, number three,
number four, number five

1230
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:18,299
would no longer refer to
combinations of food.

1231
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:22,532
But rather, uh, just
the number of times
a product had been recycled.

1232
01:02:22,533 --> 01:02:24,199
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

1233
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,699
We were lucky
to partner with the
World Trade Organization

1234
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,732
which, uh, you know,
has slightly different goals.

1235
01:02:29,733 --> 01:02:32,665
Of course, McDonalds' goals
are to profit and grow

1236
01:02:32,666 --> 01:02:34,699
and, uh, we hope
that we can provide

1237
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:37,165
a nutritious and tasty
product in the process.

1238
01:02:37,166 --> 01:02:41,432
Our goals are to help
McDonalds profit and grow
and all other corporations.

1239
01:02:41,433 --> 01:02:44,766
I think you guys,
like the WTO

1240
01:02:45,033 --> 01:02:48,733
is kind of lacking
kind of like a human element.
You know, like...

1241
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,199
If you saw...

1242
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,199
Have you ever seen
starving people?

1243
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,233
Uh, in pictures, yes.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

1244
01:02:57,333 --> 01:02:59,766
So tell me,
if you saw somebody
starving to death

1245
01:03:00,033 --> 01:03:03,065
you would probably think
a lot, you know, like...

1246
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:07,699
That would kind of hit you
in a sensitive, you know,
place to say, like...

1247
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:11,065
Oh, well, you know,
maybe markets and money

1248
01:03:11,066 --> 01:03:12,699
and this and that
don't really mean as much.

1249
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:16,065
And actually, like,
feeding people means
a little bit more.

1250
01:03:16,066 --> 01:03:19,099
Yeah, well, it is true
that there is a personal
side of it that, um...

1251
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:22,365
I have to say,
in the WTO there are
questions that we...

1252
01:03:22,366 --> 01:03:24,765
We have about this
as human beings.

1253
01:03:24,766 --> 01:03:29,499
But we're not as subject...
We have a kind of
firmer grasp on theory.

1254
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,765
We are able, um,
fortunately,

1255
01:03:32,766 --> 01:03:36,099
to simply direct
world trade in a
much more theoretical way.

1256
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:40,099
Um, in collaboration
with our colleagues
at the largest corporations.

1257
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:43,099
So, uh, you know?

1258
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:45,733
Yes, probably if I went
to these countries

1259
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,099
I'd be... I'd feel, um...

1260
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,732
I'd think about things
a little differently perhaps.

1261
01:03:51,733 --> 01:03:55,399
But, um, at the same time
I don't think I would
forget all my schooling.

1262
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,432
I don't think
I would forget you know,
all these theories, and so on.

1263
01:03:58,433 --> 01:04:01,733
So, um, perhaps
one day I'll do that.

1264
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,765
This is a money maker.
Correct?

1265
01:04:03,766 --> 01:04:07,765
Yes. Well,
it's a money maker,
starvation solver. Sure.

1266
01:04:07,766 --> 01:04:09,232
And how much does
McDonalds pay you

1267
01:04:09,233 --> 01:04:11,399
to come here
and speak this garbage?

1268
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,099
Like this is a mouse
with an ear growing
out of its back.

1269
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:18,132
How are you going to
get around cultural
and legal implications?

1270
01:04:18,133 --> 01:04:21,000
Cannibalism.
They're basically asking
us to recycle shit.

1271
01:04:31,766 --> 01:04:33,466
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

1272
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,765
The reality is
that we already

1273
01:04:51,766 --> 01:04:54,766
treat, um, people
in the third world
far worse than

1274
01:04:55,033 --> 01:04:56,299
we treat
our domestic animals.

1275
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:58,733
That's, that's...
It's not saying
it's right.

1276
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,132
It's just saying
that's the reality.

1277
01:05:01,133 --> 01:05:02,366
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)

1278
01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:12,132
(CLEARING THROAT) Well,
after thinking about it
for a little while

1279
01:05:12,133 --> 01:05:15,132
it seems the Plattsburgh
lecture just went great!

1280
01:05:15,133 --> 01:05:17,132
And it went
exactly the way

1281
01:05:17,133 --> 01:05:19,432
we originally expected
these lectures to work.
Yeah.

1282
01:05:19,433 --> 01:05:22,199
Which was that, at
a certain point it's like
light bulbs going off

1283
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,632
in the heads of
the different people
in the audience.

1284
01:05:24,633 --> 01:05:28,499
And they're
realizing that it was
just too crazy to be real

1285
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,499
and yet sort of it was based
on reality and so...

1286
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,065
BONANNO: <i>You know,
they started throwing
globes at us.</i>

1287
01:05:34,066 --> 01:05:36,132
<i>They got angry,
they got frustrated.</i>

1288
01:05:36,133 --> 01:05:39,000
<i>It worked.
Exactly like we
thought it would.</i>

1289
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:43,732
They don't ask you
if you believe in it.

1290
01:05:43,733 --> 01:05:46,766
You don't get to vote
on the World Trade
Organization treaties.

1291
01:05:47,033 --> 01:05:48,199
They don't let you
vote on it.

1292
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,732
They don't give you
a say in it.

1293
01:05:49,733 --> 01:05:53,065
They let you listen
to the one sided
propaganda.

1294
01:05:53,066 --> 01:05:54,732
Name me a single
columnist in America

1295
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:58,632
who doesn't stand up
and cheer under the banner
of so called free trade.

1296
01:05:58,633 --> 01:06:00,332
There's no public discussion.

1297
01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,766
There's no dissent
in any of the parties.
Political parties.

1298
01:06:04,033 --> 01:06:07,365
There's no debate,
there's no discussion.
There's no vote.

1299
01:06:07,366 --> 01:06:09,399
In fact, the only nation

1300
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,365
which has called
for a vote is Brazil.

1301
01:06:12,366 --> 01:06:15,232
And, already...
Which is saying

1302
01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:17,065
that it will not sign
any more trade treaties

1303
01:06:17,066 --> 01:06:19,365
without a plebiscite
of its people.

1304
01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:23,065
And the world trade barons
are losing their damn minds

1305
01:06:23,066 --> 01:06:26,232
trying to prevent
this type of democracy

1306
01:06:26,233 --> 01:06:28,099
from spreading
planet wide.

1307
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:30,199
Because once
people know what
this stuff is about

1308
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,665
and get to vote on it,

1309
01:06:31,666 --> 01:06:34,200
no-one's going to vote
themselves into poverty.

1310
01:06:38,366 --> 01:06:41,066
BONANNO: Here we go.
Australia country code.

1311
01:06:41,366 --> 01:06:42,566
Oops.

1312
01:06:44,066 --> 01:06:47,000
BONANNO: Oh, Australia. 61.
It's 61.
Sixty one.

1313
01:06:48,566 --> 01:06:50,166
(DIAL TONE)

1314
01:06:52,233 --> 01:06:56,132
Hi, this is
Kinnithrung Sprat
from the WTO.

1315
01:06:56,133 --> 01:06:57,265
WOMAN: <i>Hello, how are you?</i>

1316
01:06:57,266 --> 01:06:59,199
Good, thanks.
How are you?

1317
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,099
<i>Where are you now?</i>
I'm in New York
at the moment.

1318
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,265
<i>New York, are you?</i>
Yeah.

1319
01:07:04,266 --> 01:07:07,132
Kinninthrung Sprat,
just called a person

1320
01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:10,132
who's coordinating
Sprat's visit.

1321
01:07:10,133 --> 01:07:14,232
I'm due in Hong Kong
the week after, um, this.

1322
01:07:14,233 --> 01:07:16,065
And that date is firm

1323
01:07:16,066 --> 01:07:18,532
but my travel
to Australia
is as yet, um,

1324
01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:20,165
not, not firm.

1325
01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:22,099
Yeah.
She's actually,
it turns out

1326
01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:23,665
been e-mailing
all these people

1327
01:07:23,666 --> 01:07:26,432
and basically
calling journalists

1328
01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:28,699
and getting people
to attend his lecture.

1329
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:30,465
And she fully
expects him to attend

1330
01:07:30,466 --> 01:07:32,565
because she had
spoken to Hildegard West,

1331
01:07:32,566 --> 01:07:34,265
<i>uh, Sprat's assistant</i>

1332
01:07:34,266 --> 01:07:37,265
<i>and Hildegard West
had told her that
everything was on</i>

1333
01:07:37,266 --> 01:07:39,165
<i>and Sprat
was definitely going.</i>

1334
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:41,766
So now we just decided
we really have to go

1335
01:07:42,033 --> 01:07:45,132
to honor this arrangement
with, uh, Australia.

1336
01:07:45,133 --> 01:07:48,099
BONANNO: So, it's back on now.
After we totally thought
it was off.

1337
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:50,265
And instead
of giving this lecture

1338
01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:52,565
that we've been planning
for like nine months,

1339
01:07:52,566 --> 01:07:54,632
we're gonna like,
you know,

1340
01:07:54,633 --> 01:07:57,100
<i>disband the WTO.</i>
(BOTH CHUCKLING)

1341
01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,265
BONANNO: Shouldn't we get you
a pair of shoes that
actually are reasonable?

1342
01:08:02,266 --> 01:08:04,132
I mean, they just don't
look like dress shoes.

1343
01:08:04,133 --> 01:08:05,733
They look like
wrestling shoes.

1344
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,432
All right.
There are no shoes
here for you.

1345
01:08:07,433 --> 01:08:09,599
BONANNO: Never mind.
No. Shoes are out.

1346
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,165
BONANNO: I like that tie.

1347
01:08:11,166 --> 01:08:13,166
Uh-huh.
Around...

1348
01:08:15,633 --> 01:08:17,166
Oh, wait.
Did you try this?

1349
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,200
Yeah.

1350
01:08:22,166 --> 01:08:24,232
I did a set of these
with an ink-jet

1351
01:08:24,233 --> 01:08:25,632
and they just don't
look as real.

1352
01:08:25,633 --> 01:08:28,232
Ah!
Something about them.
They look, um...

1353
01:08:28,233 --> 01:08:30,100
Kind of hand made.
BICHLBAUM: These look perfect.

1354
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,299
I printed off some
letterhead for you.

1355
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:34,465
BICHLBAUM: Nice.
I guess you guys
already saw that.

1356
01:08:34,466 --> 01:08:36,232
Yeah.
And I just kept it
real simple.

1357
01:08:36,233 --> 01:08:40,332
That's perfect.
So that it would
show up well on the fax.

1358
01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:42,732
BONANNO: That is
the most ridiculous photo.

1359
01:08:42,733 --> 01:08:45,632
(CHUCKLING) It's like
something really weird
about this public...

1360
01:08:45,633 --> 01:08:47,766
Public relations guy.
Wow! I love that.

1361
01:08:48,033 --> 01:08:50,199
A little magnetic strip
on the back.

1362
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,199
BONANNO: Wow!
BICHLBAUM: Really beautiful.

1363
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,499
You know what I did?
I went to, uh,
I went to Google.

1364
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:58,065
(CHUCKLING) Uh-huh.
And I went to Google
image search

1365
01:08:58,066 --> 01:09:01,299
and I typed in
ID card.

1366
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:03,365
And you wouldn't believe
the numbers of ID...

1367
01:09:03,366 --> 01:09:06,332
Pictures of ID cards
that show up on the web.
Wow.

1368
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:09,065
And I just went through
and took a little bit
from each one.

1369
01:09:09,066 --> 01:09:10,465
You know, it said...

1370
01:09:10,466 --> 01:09:12,499
This one's got like
a little bar code
at the bottom.

1371
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:15,365
And this one uses
the logo over here.

1372
01:09:15,366 --> 01:09:16,766
BICHLBAUM: That is so nice.

1373
01:09:25,533 --> 01:09:27,200
(TALKING INDISTINCTLY)

1374
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,532
No, I don't know.
I'm just really nervous
'cause, um...

1375
01:09:57,533 --> 01:10:00,665
I don't know, this feels
different from all the other
things that we've done.

1376
01:10:00,666 --> 01:10:05,366
It's not like the
same kind of play,
fun, crazy, weird,

1377
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,399
impossible stuff.

1378
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,299
This is like,
sincere, you know?

1379
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:12,099
It's about like
replacing the WTO
with something better.

1380
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,365
Do you think
that satire is more fun?

1381
01:10:14,366 --> 01:10:16,065
BICHLBAUM: Yeah, definitely.

1382
01:10:16,066 --> 01:10:18,432
I got this feeling
that it's less...
For some reason, um...

1383
01:10:18,433 --> 01:10:21,132
Maybe it's less fun
to be sincere.

1384
01:10:21,133 --> 01:10:23,399
But it is less fun,
isn't it?

1385
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,699
In a way, yeah.

1386
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:28,233
Maybe it's more fun
to be satirical than...

1387
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,266
Serious.

1388
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,300
BICHLBAUM: Yeah.

1389
01:10:36,433 --> 01:10:38,432
BONANNO: It's about
9:00 in the morning.

1390
01:10:38,433 --> 01:10:41,299
And this is the big day
for Kinnithrung Sprat

1391
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:43,299
to go talk to
CPA Australia

1392
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,565
and close down the WTO.

1393
01:10:45,566 --> 01:10:48,265
It's kind of an
exciting day for us.

1394
01:10:48,266 --> 01:10:50,633
You know, we finally
get to shut it down.

1395
01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:53,733
(WHIRRING)

1396
01:11:05,066 --> 01:11:07,766
BONANNO: I'm writing
a local phone number
for this cell phone

1397
01:11:08,033 --> 01:11:10,265
on the business card
so...

1398
01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,332
We give these to journalists
or anybody else

1399
01:11:12,333 --> 01:11:15,565
who wants to contact
Mr. Sprat, they'll be
able to do it

1400
01:11:15,566 --> 01:11:17,266
in the next
couple of days.

1401
01:11:19,733 --> 01:11:23,432
We have to leave in about
10 minutes though.
I know.

1402
01:11:23,433 --> 01:11:26,033
BICHLBAUM: I'm just gonna do
as little as possible.

1403
01:11:29,466 --> 01:11:31,299
Okay, let's just
go by there.

1404
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:32,532
We have
some time yet.
Yeah.

1405
01:11:32,533 --> 01:11:35,299
Let's just keep walking.
Just walk straight.

1406
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:36,499
Don't look.
BONANNO: Don't look.

1407
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:38,365
Don't turn left.

1408
01:11:38,366 --> 01:11:40,633
Don't...
Okay, no.
Oh...

1409
01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:42,499
Don't do that.
(BEEPING)

1410
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:44,365
Uh-oh.

1411
01:11:44,366 --> 01:11:45,300
(CHUCKLING)
Answer it.

1412
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,366
Hello.
Michael Bonanno here.

1413
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:52,733
Hi, Jane. How are you?

1414
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,599
All right then.
I guess we'll see you
in just a few minutes.

1415
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,400
And we just come up
to level three then?

1416
01:12:01,066 --> 01:12:02,365
Great, thank you very much.

1417
01:12:02,366 --> 01:12:03,733
All right.
Bye bye.

1418
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,333
(BOTH CHUCKLING)

1419
01:12:09,633 --> 01:12:11,499
BONANNO: Oh wait, shit!
This is the building.

1420
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,499
MAN: Thank you
for coming.
Oh, thank you for having us.

1421
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:17,099
MAN: Sorry for the
confusion and problems
and everything else.

1422
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,733
Oh. It's to be
expected these days,
I think.

1423
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,399
Um, no thanks for
going out of your way
to arrange this.

1424
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,400
This is really terrific.

1425
01:12:24,633 --> 01:12:26,366
(CLAPPING)

1426
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:31,766
Um, thank you all
for coming.

1427
01:12:32,033 --> 01:12:34,365
I'd like to, um...

1428
01:12:34,366 --> 01:12:36,332
BICHLBAUM: Like to thank
the organizers for

1429
01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:39,532
going out of their way
to create this panel,

1430
01:12:39,533 --> 01:12:42,065
this luncheon, um...
(CELL PHONE BEEPS)

1431
01:12:42,066 --> 01:12:44,132
In the face of some odds.

1432
01:12:44,133 --> 01:12:46,766
The conference having been
canceled of course.

1433
01:12:47,033 --> 01:12:49,532
(CLEARS THROAT) And I'd
especially like to begin

1434
01:12:49,533 --> 01:12:53,665
by apologizing for
a rather sudden
change in the program.

1435
01:12:53,666 --> 01:12:56,499
Uh, consequent upon
a rather dramatic

1436
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,599
development in Geneva, yesterday.

1437
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,165
I originally intended
to transmit today
an upbeat report on

1438
01:13:04,166 --> 01:13:08,399
some new technologies
that affect agro business
in a global sense.

1439
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,699
Instead, I find myself
the messenger

1440
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:12,532
of some rather
disturbing news.

1441
01:13:12,533 --> 01:13:16,465
Um, the WTO will be
issuing a public statement

1442
01:13:16,466 --> 01:13:18,565
in detail by the end
of the week.

1443
01:13:18,566 --> 01:13:20,399
But the die has been cast.

1444
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,132
As of September 2002,

1445
01:13:23,133 --> 01:13:25,699
having seen the effects
of policies

1446
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:29,565
whose only intent
was to bring greater
prosperity and peace,

1447
01:13:29,566 --> 01:13:32,432
the World Trade Organization
in its present form

1448
01:13:32,433 --> 01:13:34,433
will cease to exist.

1449
01:13:35,433 --> 01:13:37,699
Over the next two years
we at the WTO

1450
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:41,565
will endeavor to refound
our organization
along different lines.

1451
01:13:41,566 --> 01:13:46,465
Based in a different
understanding of the
purposes of world trade.

1452
01:13:46,466 --> 01:13:49,765
The new organization will have
as its foundation and basis

1453
01:13:49,766 --> 01:13:53,732
the United Nations, uh,
universal declaration
of human rights.

1454
01:13:53,733 --> 01:13:58,465
Upon which we feel, uh,
we can make a good foundation

1455
01:13:58,466 --> 01:14:01,065
to ensuring that the
organization will have human

1456
01:14:01,066 --> 01:14:03,465
rather than business interests
as its bottom line.

1457
01:14:03,466 --> 01:14:05,765
My reaction was one
of total surprise.

1458
01:14:05,766 --> 01:14:08,232
We were expecting
a speech more based on

1459
01:14:08,233 --> 01:14:09,766
what the World Trade
Organization does

1460
01:14:10,033 --> 01:14:11,599
in its relation
to Australian trade.

1461
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,232
It sort of blew me
out of the water

1462
01:14:13,233 --> 01:14:14,766
when the, uh,
the announcement
was made that

1463
01:14:15,033 --> 01:14:18,699
the World Trade Organization
is significantly
reinventing itself

1464
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:21,532
to focus on issues
relating to

1465
01:14:21,533 --> 01:14:24,465
um, people
as opposed to economics.

1466
01:14:24,466 --> 01:14:26,099
Something that hopefully

1467
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:28,165
could be
of significant benefit

1468
01:14:28,166 --> 01:14:31,765
to, uh, the poor and needy
throughout the world in all
the developing countries.

1469
01:14:31,766 --> 01:14:34,499
The UN estimates that
poor countries...

1470
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,632
The poorest countries
in the world lose

1471
01:14:36,633 --> 01:14:39,465
approximately two billion
dollars a day

1472
01:14:39,466 --> 01:14:41,465
because of unjust trade rules

1473
01:14:41,466 --> 01:14:45,099
many of them instituted
by our own organization.

1474
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:47,499
And this is 14 times
the amount

1475
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:50,765
that they receive in aid
from developed countries.

1476
01:14:50,766 --> 01:14:54,099
I thought the speech itself
was, um, was compelling

1477
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,099
in terms of its information.

1478
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:58,232
It was... I was astounded
to find

1479
01:14:58,233 --> 01:15:01,499
that they're actually
going to dismantle
the WTO.

1480
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:03,765
I was also amazed
to see that, um,

1481
01:15:03,766 --> 01:15:06,232
there was admission that
perhaps it had failed.

1482
01:15:06,233 --> 01:15:09,665
Um, it's going to have
a huge effect on
international business.

1483
01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:12,665
And particularly for us
as an organization, I feel.

1484
01:15:12,666 --> 01:15:14,766
Um, the hardest thing
I find will be

1485
01:15:15,033 --> 01:15:19,532
the, um, the balance that,
let's say the U.S.
EU and Japan

1486
01:15:19,533 --> 01:15:23,532
in terms of being
major components
of the world economy.

1487
01:15:23,533 --> 01:15:25,499
The effect, you know,
will they really change

1488
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:27,365
in terms of this
new organization?

1489
01:15:27,366 --> 01:15:29,765
And will there actually be
genuine change?

1490
01:15:29,766 --> 01:15:33,499
And perhaps a benefit
you know, to the world's
poorest countries.

1491
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:36,499
I must admit
I'm a cynic with regards
to that occurring.

1492
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,665
Liberalization.
The process of liberalization,

1493
01:15:39,666 --> 01:15:42,532
often enables the knowledge
of the poor to be converted

1494
01:15:42,533 --> 01:15:46,665
into the property of
global corporations.

1495
01:15:46,666 --> 01:15:49,399
BICHLBAUM: Specific statistics
are rather shocking.

1496
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,165
Out of 26,000 patents

1497
01:15:53,166 --> 01:15:58,065
um, applied for in Africa
in 2000 and 2001,

1498
01:15:58,066 --> 01:16:01,766
only 31 were from
residents of Africa.

1499
01:16:02,033 --> 01:16:04,699
The rest were from residents
of first world countries.

1500
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:08,699
Thirty one out of 26,000
patent applications.

1501
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,565
Uh, it wasn't what
I was expecting.

1502
01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:12,532
(CHUCKLING) I was
expecting something on
agro business

1503
01:16:12,533 --> 01:16:15,665
and what the
World Trade Organization does.

1504
01:16:15,666 --> 01:16:18,699
But I have to say I believe
it's fairly positive.

1505
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:22,766
Um, because I think
that, uh, this,
as the gentleman said,

1506
01:16:23,033 --> 01:16:26,232
"The strong are getting
stronger and the weak
are getting weaker."

1507
01:16:26,233 --> 01:16:28,199
And you can't let that
keep on going.

1508
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,232
And even we know
to sit here in Australia
where some of

1509
01:16:31,233 --> 01:16:33,699
the trade arrangements
that are made.

1510
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:35,766
If you're powerful,
you can get whatever you like

1511
01:16:36,033 --> 01:16:38,432
and if you're not, you can't.
And it's just...

1512
01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:41,565
The world with
the population we've got
can't keep going that way.

1513
01:16:41,566 --> 01:16:44,565
So I think it was
fairly positive and I think
it's a very brave decision

1514
01:16:44,566 --> 01:16:47,599
by an organization to admit
that they've been going
down the wrong track

1515
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,599
and dissolve themselves
and start to look
for something different.

1516
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,232
I think it's,
it's fantastic. Yeah.

1517
01:16:53,233 --> 01:16:55,765
Disparity is growing
between the rich and poor.

1518
01:16:55,766 --> 01:16:58,332
The richest fifth have 80%
of the world's income

1519
01:16:58,333 --> 01:17:00,465
and the poorest fifth
have one percent.

1520
01:17:00,466 --> 01:17:03,665
Um, this gap...
We all know this figure

1521
01:17:03,666 --> 01:17:08,699
but we don't always remember
that this gap has actually
doubled since 1960.

1522
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:11,699
More and more thinkers
are therefore noting

1523
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:13,765
uh, that there
is no evidence that

1524
01:17:13,766 --> 01:17:17,132
liberalization favors growth
or benefits the poor.

1525
01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:20,099
I think we are all
generally aware
of increases in poverty

1526
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,099
and low living standards
and issues faced by
developing countries.

1527
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,632
And what Mr. Sprat
I think had to say today,

1528
01:17:25,633 --> 01:17:27,632
really gives out
a terrific sign of hope

1529
01:17:27,633 --> 01:17:30,699
for what I think we all
aspire to.

1530
01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:34,666
And as a global economy
that benefits all people.

1531
01:17:43,766 --> 01:17:46,465
JOHN DUNCAN:
Now, after protected,
protracted and detailed review

1532
01:17:46,466 --> 01:17:49,599
of current trade policy,
the World Trade Organization

1533
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,665
has decided to effect
a cessation of all operations

1534
01:17:53,666 --> 01:17:56,265
to be accomplished
over the next four months

1535
01:17:56,266 --> 01:18:01,665
culminating by the end
of September. The World...

1536
01:18:01,666 --> 01:18:04,399
BICHLBAUM: Well, I think that
the Yes Men have kind of
played out their course

1537
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,632
in relation to
the World Trade Organization
for the moment.

1538
01:18:07,633 --> 01:18:10,665
You never know when we
might get another invitation.

1539
01:18:10,666 --> 01:18:15,632
We're lucky to be able
to provide a sort of sense
of closure by ending the WTO.

1540
01:18:15,633 --> 01:18:19,132
We also hope that other people
will just start doing
the same things

1541
01:18:19,133 --> 01:18:21,265
in all kinds
of different contexts.

1542
01:18:21,266 --> 01:18:26,765
You know, impersonating
whoever holds power,
that needs to be criticized.

1543
01:18:26,766 --> 01:18:29,099
So if the opportunity arises,

1544
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:32,265
we're just going to
keep doing it.
We're going to go

1545
01:18:32,266 --> 01:18:36,399
and be the Yes Men again.
Or I should say be the WTO
again in another event.

1546
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,265
The future is bright
for the Yes Men.

1547
01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:43,200
The future of the world
is a different story.

1548
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,065
BONANNO: You know,
this isn't, this isn't
the way he usually dresses.

1549
01:19:21,066 --> 01:19:23,232
He works for
the World Trade Organization.

1550
01:19:23,233 --> 01:19:25,199
You know, the WTO?
Yes.

1551
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,732
He works see...
We're at a conference

1552
01:19:27,733 --> 01:19:32,065
and he's demonstrating
a new kind of technology.

1553
01:19:32,066 --> 01:19:34,432
Uh, this is um...
Well, it's a device to

1554
01:19:34,433 --> 01:19:38,766
measure employee working
in less developed countries.

1555
01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:41,665
There's a thing here, where...

1556
01:19:41,666 --> 01:19:43,199
(THUDS)

1557
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,332
(CHUCKLING)
On this screen.
I can see the...

1558
01:19:46,333 --> 01:19:49,732
BONANNO: So, he watches...
He watches people
working there.

1559
01:19:49,733 --> 01:19:53,365
And they have
little devices that
give them shocks.

1560
01:19:53,366 --> 01:19:55,565
Uh, it's just regular fabric.

1561
01:19:55,566 --> 01:19:58,499
In the future, it'll be
sensitive, smart fabric.

1562
01:19:58,500 --> 01:20:01,599
It's a little hot.
(ALL LAUGHING)

1563
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,233
That one looks better.